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Yonge North Subway Extension LIVE - October 20, 2021

 

 

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Agenda

6:30PM: Meeting Begins/ Opening Remarks

6:35PM: YNSE Project Update

7:00PM: Questions and Answers 

8:00PM: Wrap up & Closing Remarks

Meet the Speakers

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Raj Khetarpal

Acting VP for Community Engagement – 905 Region

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Stephen Collins

Program Sponsor for YNSE

Mark Ciarvarro

Mark Ciavarro

Vice President of Subways Project Delivery

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James Francis

Manager, Environmental Programs and Assessment

Maria Doyle

Maria Doyle

Manager, Property Acquisitions

Joseph Digerness

Joseph Digerness

Associate, Accoustics and Audiovisual, Arup

Other Attendees:

  • Leona Hollingsworth, Director, Community Engagement – 905
  • Nick Faieta, Senior Manager, Community Engagement – York Region
  • Sam Kulendran, Engineer, Technical Advisor

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Anonymous's avatar

opposed Option 3, how does Metrolinx with good conscience, continue with Opt 3?

Anonymous's avatar

Believe the same law applies to my home. Why are my “sensitivities” & rights ignored?

Anonymous's avatar

I have been advised that in a recent reply to a complaint by a taxpayer that Metrolinx has assured her that the disruptions to families and homes will be NIL, due to the depths of the tunnels and the modern technology that will be used. If that is the case, then why can't you tunnel under the cemetery where no one sleeps or lives?

Anonymous's avatar

Planning criteria (I.e. opt 3 does not take the most cars off the road, and does not provide the highest ridership). Why is Opt 3 still supported? Isn’t the primary objective of a subway plan to be an optimal transit delivery model?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 14, 2021 - 09:44

You constantly talk about the benefits but I have never seen nor heard what those benefits are. Who benefits from this option?

Anonymous's avatar

1. I assume your mitigation efforts are the same as on the Spadina extension. Didn't work. Students in Winters Residence at York U. hear & feel every train.
2. How many ventilation shafts and emergency exits will you need under our community? Air quality?
3. Your own reports show more ridership on Option 1. Why go to Option 3. We're guinea pigs.

Anonymous's avatar

Vaughan and Markham governments both oppose Option 3. Why are you on the side of the developers instead of the people?

Anonymous's avatar

Metrolinx requests that an interference warning clause be inserted into any rental agreements/offer of purchase/ sale the property located 300 meters of the rail corridor right-of-way the extension work may result noise vibration electromagnetic, stray current smoke etc. Explain with this situation what would be the future of this neighbourhood ?

Anonymous's avatar

Thornhill is very concerned poor communication. I have outstanding questions since April 2021. Why did you schedule this meeting in conflict with the York Region Transportation meeting on the same date? Please answer all of my questions previously asked. Why don't you be honest with us?

Anonymous's avatar

This is obviously a benefit to large developers and totally detrimental to the living Royal Orchard residents. Notice I said living as you have been warned off going under the deceased at Holy Cross ! I cannot believe the shell game you people are trying to foist upon us. We are living citizens in Canada a supposedly democratic country.

Anonymous's avatar

Is there still a possibility that a fifth station will be added? How likely is this scenario? Is Metrolinx actively working to make sure that we do have a fifth station on the line?

Anonymous's avatar

their properties either during construction or subsequent operation period. How contractually binding would this be, and not simply words or statement of intent?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 19, 2021 - 09:39

Who is the final decision maker regarding which option is finalized? Please be specific as to how that process will work.

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 16, 2021 - 17:25

Goal of Metrolinx is at-grade stations at Bridge & High Tech, + lower cost.
Goal of the community is to not go under houses & have extra station or 2.
So do both.
1. Cut&Cover Finch to Steeles (Cummer Sta.).
2. TBM to Don River & Bridge over Don (Royal Orch. Sta.).
3. C&C to Cemetery.
4. 2-250m radius curves to get to CPR at-grade.

Anonymous's avatar

Do you not find it strange that you DON'T ask permission to dig under our homes, yet, ironically, any house affected by the subway line, has to then ask permission to do any work to their home. Want a new pool -- ask Metrolinx!! Want a new deck -- ask Metrolinx!! Any renovations that want/need to be done, has to be approved by Metrolinx!! Why??

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 18, 2021 - 19:38

As the marketplace has changed, contractors will not assume risks for tunneling under homes, how is Metrolinx going to assume that risk which will cost money?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 18, 2021 - 23:21

There are rumours that homes on Shieldmark have received expropriation orders.

Anonymous's avatar

We have heard that you have disclosed to certain parties (school board, City) the final route of the tunnels and map. And you are repeatedly telling us (residents) that the route is not finalized though you are digging boreholes in a premeditated manner. Why are you not disclosing the route to residents of Royal Orchard community?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 17, 2021 - 15:46

1. What are the benefits of Option 3, namely realigning part of the subway from Yonge Street east to the railway
2. If significant advantage will the residential owners have any impact to their use and enjoyment of their home
1. During construction
2. After construction
Thank you for your response

Anonymous's avatar

I am a York region taxpayer. I am told that to keep the subway on Yonge is more expensive. I don't live around Yonge area. But I don't want to save my tax dollars at the expense of local residents. Residents will lose much more over the years than is saved of my taxes. Why does YNSE find it acceptable? Why not to let taxpayers vote on it?

Anonymous's avatar

I have asked for these figures before, on your website, and have yet to receive any comments.

Anonymous's avatar

What is your plan to accommodate increased traffic congestion on local & arterial roads as drivers drop-off, pick-up, and attempt to find parking to access the new subway stations?

Anonymous's avatar

Metrolinx is allocating project risks to the contractors which could mean that when residents face risks our recourse will be to put claims on contractors. How can you indulge in such an unfair practice as Metrolinx has enabled the decision on Option 3. We should have the right to claim from you as contractors may go out of business for claims.

Anonymous's avatar

There are graves on either side of the narrow bridge that accommodates the CN lines. How are you getting from Royal Orchard to Richmond Hill without going through Holy Cross. Isn't that more disruptive than under it?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 19, 2021 - 15:00

Given the massive opposition from so may sources, why is "option 3" still in your plan?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 20, 2021 - 12:39

Common sense and EVERY concerned group including City councils, neighbourhood and residents groups and business groups ALL strongly want the subway extension to stay under Yonge Street. This was also the original plan for decades. Why change to something that causes greater disruption and no benefits?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 15, 2021 - 12:59

What difficulties are posed in using cemetery property for subway/road? What is Process in moving graves?
Proximity of subway & rail lines. How will accidents & movement conflicts be handled /mitigated?
How much space is there on Yonge at HCC available for subway & roads?
(above & grave relocation/access? (Both side/ends?) (legal/engineering)

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 18, 2021 - 10:15

Can you share with us the detailed operating plan with funding of Option 3 and the comparison of a detailed operating plan for other options? Have you conducted research from local residents, councillors, and businesses in the area to support this endeavor? could you please share your results

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 18, 2021 - 19:44

Please provide the proposed Option 3 route as the geotechnical study is underway along this route. Please do not beat around the bush to provide the answer that you have.

Anonymous's avatar

Is Metrolinx or decision makers providing the residents an irrevocable guarantee that the Project and subsequent operating trains will not in anyway impact our properties? If not, how are you giving us advise on how to protect our homes and properties from noise, vibrations or any other collateral damage due to your option 3?

Anonymous's avatar

We would like to know the exact location from the point where the line exits Yonge to where it meets up with the existing line.

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Oct 18, 2021 - 13:56

In his market update letter the CEO of Infrastructure Ontario states when referring to the made-in-Ontario P3 programs that IO adapts and expands on its approaches “to suit the realities of a changing marketplace”. How have these realities impacted the YNSE? How will Metrolinx manage these changes? What effect will these changes have on price?

Anonymous's avatar

I saw and heard at least five sites, behind Shieldmark and beside Holy Cross. Why?

Anonymous's avatar

Why, with no votes from city councils, concern from CN and other transit experts, as well as area political leaders and residents, is this unethical design choice being pursued while other technical ethical solutions are available. A simple cheap idea is not always ethical or sensible. Catering to developers above long term residents is wrong.

Anonymous's avatar

Will routes #16 & 85 / branch -east & westbound use this station?
Will there be separate branch of these to Vaughan's hospital Terminal along future Mack busway?
Will routes #23 & 88 / branches loop here / continue to Steeles?
Will Blue bus lines continue to use this loop/ use Bridge Stn.?
Will it be linked by walking tunnel to Bridge Stn.?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 19, 2021 - 19:45

It is not HORRIBLY CROWDED getting on at Finch. How will changes related to this extension RELIEVE that crowding?

Anonymous's avatar

Station and the south platform of High Tech Station? Why are stations placed so close together but nothing between Clarke and Bridge?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 20, 2021 - 12:22

Tunnel boring is most economical and effective when you proceed on a straight alignment. Option 3 has 3 curves of varying curvature and a deep dip to pass under the Little Don creek and is approximately .5 Kms longer than a Yonge Street alignment which has 1 curve to sweep under the Ontario Hydro right of way to connect with the Richmond Hill Hub..

Anonymous's avatar

These two stations are so close! Don’t see the point of having both of them.

Anonymous's avatar

I've never heard any reference to an approximate starting date of construction, or a completion date. Can you enlighten us to an approximate date for both?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Oct 15, 2021 - 12:26

Is Stn. on S. side (parking lot) or N. side (Auto garage)? as # of conflicting turns & stops differ.
Could #23 alternative run short turn service only to & from Promenade?
( S. of Clark, it is very close to Steeles & would eliminate 1 platform (space) @ Steeles)
Orange needs longer platform.
Possible hi-rise housing & commerce on Clark E.?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 15, 2021 - 12:43

In what city/cities & sectors will stn. be located?
Will routes TTC # 99 & 98 be on st. /in station?
Will TTC #53,60 & # 7 &#11 be using 60 & /40 ft. busses? & YRT?
Will YRT 98 & 91 use own platforms/have on street loop? How will bus layovers be handled?
How will plazas & residential hi rises be linked? How many buildings in @ city?

Anonymous's avatar

Knowing the route is important, but I still think moving off Yonge is a shortsighted decision. These are 100-year calls that are being made and the original plan of keeping the subway under Yonge St is still a better long term solution. For full disclosure I am not impacted by this route change, but I still think it is the wrong call for the future

Anonymous's avatar

We want the subway on Yonge not under our houses! How tough is that for you to understand ? This is a plan cooked up by incompetent government "planners" who will not be affected where they live !

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 20, 2021 - 09:12

Both Vaughan and Markham councils have opposed Option 3, School Boards oppose Option 3, residents oppose option 3. If Metrolinx doesn’t listen to vested participants in this alignment, don’t say you are consulting. You are telling.

Anonymous's avatar

What is the project time frame, including starting time and phases?
How many stations are included and where?
What is the difference between this extention compare with the existing line? Physical and technical?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 20, 2021 - 16:09

Thornhill residents have waited more than 40 years for a Yonge Subway extension to Thornhill. Now it seems it will finally be built. But there will be no Thornhill stations. With no proximate access and substantial increased bus/car traffic on an overburdened Yonge St, why should the people of Thornhill (Vaughan & Markham) support this project?

Anonymous's avatar

Was an option to have the line extended elevated from Finch to Richmond Hill studied?

Anonymous's avatar

Indoor bicycle storing facility at stations allows passengers to store their bicycles more safely.

Anonymous's avatar

How much are the rich folks living on Centre Street paying Metrolinx/ON to avoid building a station there?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 15, 2021 - 11:50

Will Orange line use this station? So it could interline with the Pink & Purple lines .( #23 could go from Promenade to Clark Stn.)
Would Orange continue to Beaver Creek area & return plus Pink & Purple continue to Promenade & return?
Would Blue north & south & 407 Express trains go here or use Richmond Hill Centre to connect to subway?

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Anonymous's avatar
Oct 19, 2021 - 19:54

How will hi-rises on Steeles W. be linked to Stn? Is there room on Steeles W. for additional stoplight twixt Cdn Tire & Yonge?
Will there be more lights north/south of Steeles? How about E. of Yonge?
When will traffic vol. study be done & linked to residents & businesses?
Will bus bays be exclusive or shared? Location of Bus exits & entries ?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 19, 2021 - 21:33

I cannot believe the out and out lies, half truths and deception of this group of bullies ! If you cowards were not able to hide behind this Covid virtual shield you would be shouted out of the rooms. Shame on you all !

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Oct 20, 2021 - 18:04

When the subway goes under my house will I get an escalator to access it?

Anonymous's avatar

With all the opposition, why is Metrolinx still continuing with Option 3, now rebranded as the "Reference Alignment"? No one is in support of this Option with shallow tunneling under houses and Schools. This includes everyone in the established Royal Orchard community, Markham Council, and Vaughn Council. Keep the Yonge Subway under Yonge St!

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 20, 2021 - 18:54

Will Metrolinx be using their own wayfinding design standards on the extension stations? If so, won't it be jarring for passengers to have one wayfinding standard south of Finch Station and a different standard north of Finch?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 20, 2021 - 19:00

Will the stations be accessible for seniors with walkers, canes, or possibly wheel chairs? Not all of the existing subway stations even now are accessible for any people with disabilities. Often escalators (the few that there are) are non-functioning.

Anonymous's avatar

Will all the workers who will be working on school property be required to obtain the vulnerable sector check?

Anonymous's avatar

In the initial conceptual plans, it showed that Steeles station would have an extensive underground bus terminal that would both serve TTC and a number of YRT services. It also showed in the plans that this bus terminal would easily connect to the proposed Steeles BRT. What happened to this plan? Building a surface terminal would hinder development

Anonymous's avatar

I am very sensitive. So are my neighbours. I have asthma, am a cancer survivor and suffer from ptsd. I want a veto from the subway going under, cross, through or behind my house. Who do I call?

Anonymous's avatar

Has anyone tried to predict the number of riders that currently go to Finch station who will board north of Finch plus the new riders north of Finch and the effect this may have on being able to board at Finch? What actions are being planned to address possible boarding issues as a result of trains being full by the time they arrive at Finch?

Anonymous's avatar

Yonge Street is wide enough to permit exclusive rapid bus lanes. This could be built far quicker than underground subways and would be far less costly to the lowly taxpayers. Any consideration for this idea??

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 20, 2021 - 19:04

Metrolinx outlined that a subway will be tunneled at 20m below a home - however, when you deduct the tunnel height of 6m, and then deduct a home basement height of 3m, you are left with a true depth of the subway tunnel of only 10m (or 30ft). Metrolinx needs to stop suggesting this is deep tunneling and residential homes will not be affected!!

Anonymous's avatar

It's clear that Metrolinx is in the pocket of land developers who want to build giant condo towers along Yonge Street and Hwy 7. In cancelling Cummer and Royal Orchard stations, but insisting that both Bridge and High Tech stations MUST be kept, you are sacrificing the interests of existing residents in favour of potential future condos

Anonymous's avatar

You mentioned that you aim to optimize subway for walking access (re: questions around parking). As it stands with Option 3, it's very difficult for the community residents to walk to the planned stations. How will you make it more accessible for the Royal Orchard residents? Perhaps a more direct walking path (e.g. along the CN corridor)?

Anonymous's avatar

pucks. How long do they last and at what rate do they deteriorate and how does the deterioration affect noise and vibration

Anonymous's avatar

to purchase a new home after we are thrown out of our 36 year home? These fees are now so high.
One does not give up a neighbourhood and life forcibly.

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Oct 20, 2021 - 19:39

You have never tunneled under housing. Why pick the most complicated route? Obviously there is another reason. A developer will benefit.

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 21, 2021 - 13:39

I teach at York University - two basement lecture halls are 20 meters above the top of current Subway - I can feel the trains going to the station at York U when I stand during the lecture - the speed is slow since they are entering the station - you can still feel the vibrations-they have been working on but still not resolved in the lecture halls

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 19, 2021 - 18:01

A one line tunnel, by 2030+, will not handle the rider load ! Probably 1,000,000+ NEW residents in this area in 10 years ! Hwy. 407/ Yonge is slated to be a confluence for traffic and passengers for the subway. We will need 2 lines ? More tunneling under houses? We're at risk, and no Royal Orchard station ? Am I correct, or nuts?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 20, 2021 - 14:16

The Promenade area is the hub of Thornhill. Obviously the subway curving from Yonge and Steeles to Bathurst and Centre and then to Yonge and Highway 7 is more costly, but shouldn’t the subway go to where people live, work and shop?

Anonymous's avatar

If you went up Yonge you would not have any of these issues! Boy double depth burials get more weight than we living citizens. Thanks Stephen!

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 20, 2021 - 19:21

Collins just as much admitted that our views were never considered. Why can you not admit that this is a bad idea!

Anonymous's avatar

Where you are already prepared to leave Yonge Street at Royal Orchard, would you consider instead leaving Yonge right at Centre Street, crossing under the golf course directly to the CN Rail? This way only a handful of residences would be affected - also, might Centre Street not be considered a logical station location?

Anonymous's avatar

Why not create exclusive bus lanes instead of an underground subway? The cost savings would be gargantuan (a blessing for tax payers), it could be started and completed in far less time than going underground, and Yonge Street is certainly wide enough to accommodate the exclusive bus lanes. Eglinton is an absolute nightmare.