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The DSBRT project will allow for seamless connections with local transit networks, providing the residents of Scarborough more flexibility and choice to get where they need to go, faster and more reliably.

Metrolinx is hosting a virtual open house for the Ellesmere Community on Thursday, September 23rd, 2021 at 6:30 p.m. To register for the event, please complete the form below.

The project team will provide a brief presentation overviewing the most recent preliminary design plans for Scarborough, followed by a question and answer session.

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DSBRT Ellesmere LIVE VOH - September 23, 2021

 

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Anonymous's avatar

While the current design aims to introduce cycling lanes that help connect 6 existing lanes (of the City’s cycling network) that connect to Ellesmere Rd. like the Meadoway, it also leaves a gap between Ellesmere/Kingston Rd. and Altona/Kingston Rd. even though existing cycling infrastructure is available to connect the area (at Sheppard & Kingston Rd.).

Addressing this gap would fully connect 4 on-street cycling infra (Conlins-Sheppard-Kingston-Ellesmere lanes), provide a safer way to travel between Pickering and Toronto, and would further assist Metrolinx and City of Toronto shared goal in promoting ‘First Mile-Last Mile’ trips via active and public transportation methods.

Will the DSBRT team plan to address this gap, such as using a multi-use trail located on one side of Kingston Rd (similar to the design between Orton Park Rd and Morningside Ave)?

Nithursan's avatar

Ellesmere Road provides the most (fuel and cost) efficient path to connect commuters with the future subway location at STC, Centenary Hospital, the potential Eglinton East LRT, and 2 post-secondary campuses. While I support the DSBRT project and its proposed route, a uniform centre median design may cause some local inconvenience since my neighbourhood of Highland Creek differs quite a bit from the other communities being serviced (Morningside, Woburn).

The other two areas have only 2 residential properties with direct driveway frontage on Ellesmere, while the Highland Creek portion is almost purely residential with many driveways on both sides. It is also the only community out of the three to have an express bus route run inside the neighbourhood (TTC 905). For the portion of Ellesmere Road between Military Trail and Kingston Road - is there any reason why a curbside design isn't being considered as an option (as it was in the 2018 Initial Business Case)?

The curbside lane design could provide less impact on driveway access, while still allowing transit priority that both DRT and TTC buses (i.e. 905, 995) can use to service bus stops. The 2 intersections (Ellesmere/Military Trail and Ellesmere/Kingston Rd) are also where buses will temporarily join into mixed traffic (per dsbrtmap.ca), and can still join the center curbed lanes along the rest of the route.

VPuhakka's avatar
Sep 13, 2021 - 19:45

How does the team plan on recording the opinions of people who currently ride transit? All too often, these meetings are dominated by those opposed to the project. (who are less likely to use transit and are often motivated by baseless assumptions that surface busways will cause "traffic", might I add)

I can tell you from personal experience that the Durham-Scarborough BRT project is pretty popular among transit riders who are aware of the project, so what is your plan for reaching out to them and recording their opinions/desires surrounding this important plan?

Anonymous's avatar

The total number of lanes including BRT lanes before and after Meadowvale and Conlins Road will be maintained at 4. What then is the purpose of increasing the number of lanes between Meadowvale and Conlins Road- this stretch of the Highland creek neighbourhood does not see more traffic, is primarily residential with single family homes and mature trees. Please explain why 4 lanes can not be maintained between Meadowvale and Conlins Road.

Anonymous's avatar

Why exactly is Metrolinx proposing to run the DSBRT along Ellesmere through Highland Creek? The proposed route runs through a sensitive, residential area and there is absolutely no community support or upside for local residents for this concept.

Alternative routes - including along Sheppard (allowing for a connection at the Toronto Zoo and Rouge National Park and further afield to the Agincourt Go Station and ultimately the Sheppard subway line) or along the 401 - are much more workable, tenable and advantageous while having the least impact on the environment and existing communities. Like the Small’s Creek project, this seems to be another example of Metrolinx bullying its way towards a conclusion that absolutely does not make sense.

Anonymous's avatar

Ellesmere Road is a high residential area. DRT stops are far apart. Residents on either side of Ellesmere Road, and all areas around it, will be disrupted for very few pickup and drop off stops. The noise and vibration on Ellesmere Road is already unbearable. Increasing the width of the street and adding more traffic will destroy the pristine Rouge Conservation Area.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 16, 2021 - 16:24

Benefits of highway 2A vs ellesmere road
- minimize disruption to the highland creek community. The BRT will disrupt access to the highland creek community park and library and will result in the loss of beautiful mature trees.
- highway 2A passes through highland creek village with shops and restaurants. Having a BRT provide access to this area would help rejuvenate the local businesses and would provide transportation benefits not only to residents of the Durham region but local residents as well.

Im not sure that the additional 1-2 minute saved in commuter time justifies the cost to the local community. The sole purpose of metrolinx should not be to service university students and residents of Durham region.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 17, 2021 - 15:59

There are currently three condo buildings being proposed for the 2A and Military Trail vicinity. This route would also go through the Highland Creek Village to help the retail sector. It could then continue north to UTSC and any transfers and connections could happen at UTSC avoiding all the disruption to the residential area of Highland Creek. Ellesmere Road already has very reliable TTC service.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 17, 2021 - 20:28

What are you doing to improve your track record when it comes to compliance with the Legislation. Please provide a complete plan that outlines how you plan to make this completely accessible for people with disabilities?

Anonymous's avatar

Ellesmere traffic will be diverted up Bellamy to Progress Ave to Markham Road to Ellesmere. If incorrect, METROLINX should publicize incorrect advertising that has been around for at least a month.

Anonymous's avatar

Currently, the traffic on Ellesmere Road in the Highland Creek area is and has been for decades light and flowing. The current Durham buses that are accessing the university fly down the road. Not to mention that the buses are never full. During rush hour, the number of riders changing from TTC to Durham transit does not demand priority lanes. The area is residential with detached housing. Most land has been developed and with Ellesmere's proximity to the 401 and Kingston Road it will remain likely that this road will not become congested in the future.
As a transit user, I don't see the need for this infrastructure through Highland Creek. This infrastructure is actually going to cause congesting with u turn signals required as left turns will be restricted. As a transit user I don't see the benefit of the this plan for Highland Creek Community users. The 2 minutes saved a quickly commute (to Scar Centre) is not worth the destruction and construction or the community.

The buses coming in from Durham currently only stop at Meadowvale and Ellesmere and then at the university. How would the TTC buses fit into this infrastructure. Being the border of Toronto/Scarborough, buses are feeding into Ellesmere (going westbound). The 905 and 95 buses are local buses stopping at every stop in the Highland Creek Community. At Military trail, the 905 leaves Ellesmere and the 38 and 995 bus join Ellesmere. The TTC buses would slow down the Durham Express buses in the rapid transit lane. Or is that the TTC buses would be running outside of the rapid transit lanes? Or will the Durham bus make local stops?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 18, 2021 - 17:36

I can see that the plan is for Durham buses to go to Scarborough Centre (I assume that is so that they can connect with the subway line whenever it's built). Instead of destroying Ellesmere road unnecessarily, why not use existing infrastructure? The buses can come down to the university as they currently do and then go to Kennedy Station using the red lanes that are running along Morningside Ave, Kingston Road and Eglinton Ave. On Kingston Rd and Eglinton Ave, the roads were already wide with 3 lanes and now they are 2 lanes for cars and 1 lane for buses. Durham residents can access the subway from Kennedy station instead. There would be no need for any construction! It's up and ready to go!

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 18, 2021 - 17:46

In Scarborough will we be able to access the Durham buses for the same fare as TTC to travel within Scarborough? Right now when travelling eastbound, if I get off of a TTC vehicle at Military Trail and Ellesmere (ie 38A/B, 95B, 995,) and transfer onto a Durham vehicle to get to Meadowvale and Ellesmere, I would have to pay an extra fare to use the Durham bus within Scarborough. How would use of fares work? How would the presto card know where you exit the vehicle? Will Durham transit charge TTC fares within Toronto for travel within Toronto?

Peter's avatar
Sep 10, 2021 - 14:44

Will this service provide reasonably priced, seamless (direct) and convenient transportation for the thousands of students living in Halton and Peel Regions who attend Mohawk College and McMaster University.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 16, 2021 - 19:37

Will this BRT line really has 4 stops?
If no, then how many?

Anonymous's avatar

I am one of the people who will be affected by the DSBRT project. One of the impacts is that we will not be able to do a left turn to the street where we live along Ellesmere Road from Conlins Road all the way to the bus loop going east. If this project will push through, the only benefit we can get out of it is we can board the buses from the bus stop close to where I live. Currently, the Durham Transit buses can only stop at U of T Scarborough and at Meadowvale Road which are quite far from where we live. If you can add more bus stops between U of T and Meadowvale, it would be much better.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 17, 2021 - 17:48

Good morning/afternoon.
My name is Mike ----, I live in whitby.
Hwy#2 is a great escape if there's an accident on the 401 hwy. I feel if you do your bus route there,and something happens on the 401 hwy, hwy is a great alternative. However if you were to do your bus route along Roseland you would be able to expand further into Durham and beyond alot easier that issues at hwy #2.
Thanks in advance Mike ----

Layperson 's avatar

The dedicated pathway will you folks possibly plan for a underground rapid system or above ground rapid system with the destination goal for Oshawa? An anology would be back in the early 1900's the Bloor viaduct had a plan for a subway platform running under the bridge.