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Yonge North Subway Extension LIVE - January 5, 2022

On January 5, 2022, Metrolinx hosted a presentation and live question-and-answer session with members of the Yonge North Subway Extension project team to share information about refinements made to the northern segment of the route and progress being made on the project, including plans for early works at Finch Station. The panel of Metrolinx experts answered the top-voted questions submitted by participants through our interactive online platform. The panel also took questions from community members who called in to the meeting. The topics included the adjusted alignment, Transit Action Ontario’s route proposal and Metrolinx’s analysis, and updates on our upcoming community office and sound demonstrations.

If you weren’t able to join us, the video recording is available below for you to watch any time.

 

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Agenda

6:30: Meeting Begins/ Opening Remarks  

6:35: Yonge north Subway Extension Project Update 

7:00: Questions and Answers 

8:00: Wrap up & Closing Remarks 

Presentation Materials

Meet the Speakers

Photo of Raj Khetarpal

Raj Khetarpal

Acting VP for Community Engagement – 905 Region

Photo of Stephen Collins

Stephen Collins

Program Sponsor for YNSE

Mark Ciarvarro

Mark Ciavarro

Vice President of Subways Project Delivery

Maria Doyle

Maria Doyle

Manager, Property Acquisitions

Other Attendees:

  • Leona Hollingsworth, Director, Community Engagement – 905
  • Nick Faieta, Senior Manager, Community Engagement – York Region
  • Azim Ahmed, Manager, Community Engagement Yonge North Subway Extension 

  • Sam Kulendran, Engineer, Technical Advisor
  • Nasim Bozorgmehr, Senior Advisor, Rapid Transit Planning

Format & Accessibility

Questions will be answered based on popularity (total votes). We aim to answer all questions. Please review and note that conduct inconsistent with our policies will result in removal.

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Anonymous's avatar

Hendon street is already very crowded and the extension will likely result in increased traffic. The current 4 way stop sign at Beecroft and Hendon needs to be replaced by a traffic light ir crosswalk for pedestrian safety.

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 17, 2021 - 21:42

We live at Kensington Ave., three streets west of finch and hendon. Traffic is fairly bad and loud on Hendon and there are many families who avail of the facilities at Hendon Park. What measures will you take to address traffic and pedestrian safety on Hendon? Will there be cross walks, widening of Hendon street?

Anonymous's avatar

Why isn't the option of using cut and cover or building elevated not being considered? The alignment passes over a wide stretch of yonge street which can easily accommodate an elevated or cut and cover section. Speeding up construction, lowering costs, and allowing addition stations to be built which currently don't fit the budget.

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 24, 2021 - 04:40

I support the underground subway. When will it start?

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 28, 2021 - 12:26

How many tracks will there be north of high tech? for how long? and store how many trains?

Anonymous's avatar

What is the planned completion date for the last subway station (at Yonge and 7)?

Anonymous's avatar

We know that Cummer and Royal Orchard Stations may or may not be built depending on funding. It was stated that Metrolinx is working to find funding options. My question is, what do those discussions involve? Are there any specific details that can be provided? What is the probability that we will see one of them get built, and which one if so?

Anonymous's avatar

Hi there, I know that there will be a couple of stations, I was wondering Will the Yonge-Steel station be the first one that can be operated? or do we need to wait until the whole project is completed?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Jan 2, 2022 - 21:58

When will Metrolinx provide a DETAILED map of the project to see the homes effected, the city property effected and schools.

Anonymous's avatar

Please provide details on noise, vibrations, duration and road closures during construction in the neighbourhood.

Anonymous's avatar

We want to know which homes are impacted including those that are affected on their easements (city property) what is the total amount of homes in the transit land corridor. If the subway tunnels under the front of my home but on city property it still affects my home value… will I get compensation?

Anonymous's avatar

Our house is over 50 yrs old. We are seniors and this is our forever home. What effect will boring have on the stability of our home and what level of noise and vibration can we expected and for how long?

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 3, 2022 - 16:01

Please provided a break down of where the money is coming from to fund this project. Federal, Provincial, Regional etc. Most importantly, please also share how much money are the developers of the new builds at high tech and bridge contributing to the subway development.

Anonymous's avatar

Which level of government, provincial, federal, regional (York), local (markham) have approved this option and who were the people who have signed off on this option for each level who have reviewed it. Can these project approval documents be reviewed for each government authority.

Deborah Martin-Downs's avatar
Jan 3, 2022 - 16:20

When can we expect to see the data and analysis and/or the updated environmental assessment that is necessary to address the concerns of the neighbourhood and commenting agencies. Without this, Option 3 or variations has no legal standing as it is not an approved route

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 3, 2022 - 17:05

Aren't there many, many possible unforeseen challenges of boring through bedrock under a condo building? Time, complexity, the unknown costs more. How have you budgeted for that?

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 3, 2022 - 17:06

Since no one at the province answers the taxpayer (Premier or Minister of Transportation) maybe you can tell us - are your planned TOC going to be turned into MZO's?

Anonymous's avatar

The City council held an emergency virtual meeting in Dec. Why are you bypassing and throwing away all of the city plans for Markham? Why is a developer or infracstructure company the name and face of the Bridge and High Tech developments? Who elected them? How do they benefit from the designation of of TOC or an MZO?

Anonymous's avatar

What exactly would be required (i.e. in terms of financial resources and additional time) to restore plans for the previous routing which was identified by the original EA?
And since Metrolinx has the best interests of the Royal Orchard neighbourhood in mind, why are we not hearing about your efforts in advocating for such a change in plans?

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 4, 2022 - 09:34

Even low levels of noise and vibration can cause physical, emotional and especially, in children, neurological consequences. Your routing goes right under an elementary school at shallow levels. Have you factored in future treatment costs if your assumptions of mitigation were wrong. Winters Residence at York U tenants hear & feel every train.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 4, 2022 - 10:26

Why Metrolinx cannot stop option 3 and keep the subway on Yonge. Don't them listen to voices from residents in the Royal Orchard neighbourhood whose homes would be directly impacted.
Having no more question, simply stop option 3 and keep the subway on Yonge!!!

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 4, 2022 - 12:26

As it was mentioned in the previous meetings, the option for tunneling under the cemetery instead of residential properties will be considered. Can you update us regarding this, and progress for this consideration? Can you clearly mention why tunneling under the cemetery was not considered as one of the options in the first proposals?

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 4, 2022 - 16:56

Please clarify and identify what the role of the Community Engagement personenl is? What do they do?

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 4, 2022 - 17:55

The scope of the Gateway development is enormous. It should be obvious to a world class designer, that a proper underground Bridge station is necessary for rider experience and weather. This would give you a real Bridge station, and us the Yonge route. With developer funds available, why are you continuing with option 3, and adding other stations.

Anonymous's avatar

Has it been considered for the extension to rise to the surface north-east of Steeles and follow the CN rail corridor east until it reaches the Richmond Hill GO corridor, following it up to High Tech station? This route would require 3.5 km less tunnelling, saving over $1 billion, and John-Bayview is more prone for densification compared to Centre.

Anonymous's avatar

Do the right thing and put it back on Yonge Street as originally planned. And no I do not want to listen to Mr. Collins drone on with his business plan explanation. This is about developers wishes and to ---- with us commoners !

Anonymous's avatar

I’ve recently purchased a property at Bay Thorn Dr and there has been couple of options for subway line but neither was under Bay Thorn and all of a sudden you’ve decided to run the line under it. Please explain what makes you believe that this is a better option? Because you are dealing with less people/houses so they can’t do anything about it?

Anonymous's avatar

You’ve modified the relatively smooth route of option1 into a northern version of your own adjusted route with its awkward tight curves. Both of these options would lead to slower speeds and squealy-wheelies. What’s really wrong with tunnelling under the Langstaff lands, or better yet, starting to curve off Yonge at the southern edge of Holy Cross?

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 08:31

In defence of having 2 stations at the north end Stephen Collins stated that they serve 2 separate functions: High Tech as a terminal station and Bridge as a transit hub. But today we have Kipling Station on Line 2 which is both. It still doesn’t make sense to have 2 stations 300m apart.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 11:45

We have a park that begins at Kirk and travels north or south to Royal Orchard. What are the plans for this park if option 3 is inevitable?
How will Metrolinx accommodate the community in the future. Is there a plan for tree's, plants and wildlife?
It is said that a project through our community will take more than 10 years? True/False

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 12:20

Where will the bus terminal at Steeles and Clerk stations be located? How large will they be? Will they be at grade or underground?

Anonymous's avatar

Does the recent revised route mean the train emerges above ground at a different spot or same?

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 15:41

You have stated that the tunneling will start at the north end. Why wouldn't you start at Finch and work north? Logically that makes more sense, so that it's easier to accommodate changes in assumptions based on how things actually develop. For example, there may be some major event such that it would make sense to stop at Steeles.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 16:16

You have stated that the tunneling will start at the north end. Why wouldn't you start at Finch and work north? Logically that makes more sense, so that it's easier to accommodate changes in assumptions based on how things actually develop. For example, there may be some major event such that it would make sense to stop at Steeles.

Anonymous's avatar

Is it the City of Markham or the Provincial Government? If the Provincial Govt. approves the project and City of Markham rejects the current plan who has the final say?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Jan 5, 2022 - 17:47

Please provide us with a complete list of questions and answers to date as a PDF. A web version is not enough as that is not AODA compliant under the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act, 2005.

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Jan 5, 2022 - 17:53

Why did you change the name from Option 3 to Green Alignment? Please explain in detail.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 17:59

Now you have informed us of the project travelling under our homes, you can advise us on what we need to do to protect our homes/properties from potential noise/vibrations/damage. You said you have experts so you should be able to give us advise on what should/can we do to protect our buildings above the planned project part for preventative care.

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Jan 5, 2022 - 18:05

Please provide us with the template letter that you will use when you inform the residents of perpetual or temporary sub surface acquisition with TERMS and CONDITIONS not the compensation. You have this already. Please send this immediately to affected people.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 18:12

The letter of Dec 8 states that the depth ranges anywhere between 21 meters and 50 meters. Inform the affected homes what is the expected depth under each home as per your current plan. Not only the depth of the track from the floor of our basement (foundation) but also the depth of the top of the tunnel under the floor of the basement (foundation)

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 18:22

I am re-visiting the alignment beneath the cemetery. Since the Building Transit Faster Act apparently allows the province to do what it wants, why does Option 3 not simply go beneath the cemetery to get to your precious Bridge station above grade? It's the most direct route with far less of a turn to the east and then back to the north?

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 18:26

A previous proposal required the demolition of the Bantry Bridge and rebuilding it over a 6 month period to have adequate storage of trains north of the last subway stop. Is this still required with the updated alignment that introduced High Tech / Bridge Stations instead of one station at the Richmond Hill Centre?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Jan 5, 2022 - 18:27

Has Metrolinx indeed dismissed options one and two in favour of option three? Is there no option to change your minds?

Anonymous's avatar

Leitchcroft and Times Ave neighborhood of 10,000 people is a very short bike ride to the new subway stations but there are currently no safe AAA bike paths to get there. What are the plans?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Jan 5, 2022 - 18:36

You never give a straight answer to a question anyway. And asking a question somehow seems to lend credibility to your ridiculous Option 3 - no matter what you call your revision(s). Keep it on Yonge Street where it belongs or put it under the cemetery if you have to divert to the equally ridiculous Bridge Station.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 18:50

Based on our previous experiences, does anyone REALLY believe the timeline and cost estimates? We know better about what will really happen, right? Thank you

Anonymous's avatar

A decision has been made regarding thee routing of the subway. When will Metrolinx be honest and simply tell people that we have no say in the matter and if we do not agree to Metrolinx terms the land required will be expropriated?

Anonymous's avatar

How can we trust the blanket statement that revised option #2 is inferior to the new Green Alignment without supporting details? How do we know that all relevant factors were taken into consideration?

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 19:05

Now that Metrolinx has informed residents of the project travelling under homes and properties, you can surely advise us on what we need to do to protect our properties from potential noise/vibrations/damage ( during construction and during the operations of the trains).

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 19:08

The Metrolinx letter of Dec8 sates that the depth ranges anywhere between 21 to 50 meters. Residents want to know what is the expected depth under each home as per your current plans? And not only the depth of the track from the floor of our basement (foundation) but also what is the depth of the top of the tunnel under the floor of the basement.

Anonymous's avatar

Naming the the revised route the Green Alignment implies that it’s now environmentally friendly. This suggests that MX knew that the original route wasn’t. Why not? The revised Green Alignment still isn’t green.

Anonymous's avatar

Option 3 does not provide the best transportation solution for the existing residents of York Region in general. The needs of the current population are being compromised to provide the maximum benefit to the developers and future residents of a community that won’t be built out for 20 to 30 years.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 19:47

From the northern edge of Holy Cross Cemetery to High Tech, and future northern extensions, this is now planned as a surface commuter train. Please stop calling it a subway (which is what should be built).

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2022 - 20:48

My neighbour (19 Thorny Brae Dr) told me today that his decision to abandon his plan to rebuild his home was in part or whole caused by pressure from Metrolinx. In order to receive the required variance from Markham he was told he had to agree to a lifetime lien on his property from Metrolinx. Is there any truth to this… if so please explain why!