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Virtual Open House - Eglinton Crosstown West Extension Project - Spring/Summer 2020

Metrolinx open houses are an opportunity to get project updates, to learn more about a specific topic of interest to you, and to ask general questions. An addendum to the original Eglinton Crosstown environmental assessment (2010) is needed to reflect the new underground and elevated route segments of the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension. As we temporarily shift to virtual open houses, find below a video version of this spring’s open house presentation.

You can also download the presentation PDF by clicking the yellow button.

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Only comments and questions submitted until April 10 will be included in the EPR addendum.

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Anonymous's avatar

It was sent to the scrap yard, with a bit of maintenance it could have been started up rather then buying a new one.

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Metrolinx
Apr 14, 2020 - 16:05

The tunnel boring machines for the Eglinton Crosstown were purpose-built, meaning that once their journey was complete, they reached end-of-life and cannot be reused. 

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 1, 2020 - 13:17

Please provide details regarding the location of the Traction Power Substations (e.g. are they typically right at the proposed stations)?

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:14

We understand that residents and businesses will want specific details about benefits and impacts to their properties and neighbourhoods. Traction power substation locations are generally evenly distributed along the alignment to provide electrical power to the overall system. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, including location of traction power substations, when we will have completed further design work.

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 1, 2020 - 13:27

Is the line going to be located directly underneath the roadway or offset from the road for the tunnel section? Side platforms and island platforms? The arrangement needs to ensure a direct elevator from the platform to the street is possible, without taking multiple elevators.

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:14

The alignment and station locations put forward in the Initial Business Case considers a number of factors, including improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work. We will share updates and seek feedback throughout the development of the project.

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 09:17

The Eglinton Crosstown (Weston Road to Kennedy Station) is slated to be completed in late 2022.

Thanks for your questions

Anonymous's avatar

As you have experienced delays with the Black Creek to Kennedy line.

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 09:33

Currently the targeted completion date is 2030-31

Thanks for your question

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 1, 2020 - 13:37

The LRT is expected to have ATC in the grade-separated section. Any at-grade crossings between Martin Grove station and Renforth station will limit the number of trains that can run west of Martin Grove, to the Renforth transit hub which is an important node for airport employment and connections to Miway and GO buses. I would suggest the line turn at-grade west of Renforth Road and have 2 island platforms with a middle track for short-turns for Renforth station. Renforth station will also be where operation mode between driver and ATC is changed.

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:24

We expect to have more detailed information to share for the station conceptual design and connectivity to the Mississauga Transitway in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work. Having a strong and high-quality connection to existing transit such as the Misssissauga Transitway Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) is a key driver of the benefits of the project.

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 1, 2020 - 13:39

Will there be crossing gates and arms in the at-grade sections for safety purposes?

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:23

Safety is our number one priority and will be a primary consideration throughout the design process. The alignment is fully grade-separated from Mount Dennis to Renforth operating mainly underground, with a short transition to at-grade near Renforth Station. We expect to have more detailed information to share for the Renforth Station terminus conceptual design in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work.

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Anonymous
Apr 1, 2020 - 13:41

Will there be ATC west of Martin Grove where the line is at-grade and have level crossings? Can ATC sections have level crossings technically?

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:22

The extension is intended to operate using an automatic train control system. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work.

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 1, 2020 - 13:59

Past Jane, Eglinton and the surrounding space is quite wide. Why not keep the it above ground down the middle of Eglinton the whole way to Renforth?

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 09:41

We acknowledge that there have been many discussions on how to deliver rapid transit along Eglinton West over the years, and now we are moving forward with a solution. The 2019 budget announcement identified an alignment for the extension that would be mostly underground. There will be an underground connection to the Eglinton Crosstown LRT at Mt Dennis. The area between Scarlett Road and Jane Street is in an identified flood plain zone.  Tunnelling would require building underneath three flood-prone waterways and present significant technical challenges to building and operating the line. Elevating the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension between Scarlett Road and Jane Street eliminates these challenges and will help to prevent potential service disruptions along the corridor during times of heavy rain and flooding. 

Thanks for your question

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:46

The alignment and station locations put forward in the Initial Business Case considers a number of factors, including improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work. We will share updates and seek feedback throughout the development of the project.

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 1, 2020 - 15:27

With the planned construction of 882 residential units in a high rise development at the north east corner of The East Mall and Eglinton, I am wondering why Metrolinx is not reconsidering its decision to add a stop at The East Mall. At the time the decision was made to cut this stop, this development was not under consideration. Adding a stop here would reduce potential congestion along The East Mall and boost ridership alleviating pressure on the subway line and other surface routes.

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:42

The alignment and station locations put forward in the Initial Business Case consider a number of factors, including improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations.

Currently, the Initial Business Case identifies seven proposed stations from Jane Street to Renforth Drive. Plans may evolve over the course of the project as further planning and design work is undertaken.

Anonymous's avatar

I live near Martin Grove and Eglinton. I would appreciate you send me any visual aids to help me understand what the station will look like when it is done. my email is [email protected]

I also have a concern that traffic at the intersection is already not good with long lines and almost gridlock at rush hours. Please consider options for opening new lanes to maintain throughput if there are going to be lane closures. There is plenty of room available because there are large setbacks.

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:29

The Eglinton Crosstown West Extension is still in the early stages of the project, so we don’t have the exact location of stations yet.

We know that residents have concerns about the potential impacts of construction in their community. As we proceed through the planning and design process, we will be assessing and managing traffic impacts along the corridor in collaboration with our community partners. Metrolinx has a number of measures it can take to reduce and manage impacts to residents and communities, both during and after construction, which we will use whenever and wherever necessary.  

Anonymous's avatar

The presentation indicates that the Bank of Nova Scotia building at 1151 Weston Road may potentially be directly impacted. What does that mean - demolished/removed/replaced?

Also, would any of the houses and/or businesses west of Weston Road (heading toward Jane Street) need to be expropriated?

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 09:25

We understand that residents and businesses will want specific details about impacts to specific properties, and we will reach out individually to impacted property owners once we have a firm understanding of what’s needed. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work.

Thanks for your question

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 09:19

Hi

The Government of Ontario has committed $4.7 billion toward the program as a whole and is seeking additional funding commitments from the federal government.

Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario will use a public-private partnership (P3) procurement model to ensure the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension is delivered efficiently and cost-effectively.

 

Thanks for your question

Anonymous's avatar

Lanterra Developments is planning a large condo community at 4000 Eglinton Avenue West (just east of Royal York Road). Are there any plans to build an underground tunnel and connect residents to and from the Royal York 'subway' stop? Similarly, would the existing condo at that specific intersection get access to an underground pathway to that station?

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:17

We understand that residents and businesses will want specific details about benefits and impacts to their properties and neighbourhoods. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work. Our guiding principle is to explore opportunities to work with developers to create even stronger transit connections within our communities. Thank you for your question and we will take your suggestions back to the team.

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 1, 2020 - 18:04

A zoning by-law amendment application for 1 Richview Road was filed a while ago with the City. The application proposed the construction of a 21-storey, 65 m high apartment building having 235 rental units. After reviewing the presentation slides, it appears that the elevated alignment just west of Scarlett Road will occupy the lands of the proposed apartment building. Is it safe to say that the zoning by-law amendment application for 1 Richview Road has now gone 'up in the air'?

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:16

Thank you for your question. The precise alignment of the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension will evolve throughout the design and procurement process as teams work with municipal partners to gather more information on community impacts and a variety of other considerations, including proposed development plans in the community. You can stay tuned to project updates and sign up for our mailing list at Metrolinx.com/

Anonymous's avatar

The very first proposal by the TTC had the LRT run at grade through the community of Mount Dennis. This was met with great opposition by residents, with over 500 signatures on a petition (sent to local politicians) to put the line completely underground. Even the local newspaper wrote an article titled "Residents lobby to bury LRT through Mount Dennis".

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 09:42

We acknowledge that there have been many discussions on how to deliver rapid transit along Eglinton West over the years, and now we are moving forward with a solution. The 2019 budget announcement identified an alignment for the extension that would be mostly underground. There will be an underground connection to the Eglinton Crosstown LRT at Mt Dennis. The area between Scarlett Road and Jane Street is in an identified flood plain zone.  Tunnelling would require building underneath three flood-prone waterways and present significant technical challenges to building and operating the line. Elevating the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension between Scarlett Road and Jane Street eliminates these challenges and will help to prevent potential service disruptions along the corridor during times of heavy rain and flooding. 

Thanks for you question

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 2, 2020 - 22:02

Have any conceptual designs been prepared to show the integration between both the Mississauga Transitway and ECLRT West Extension? The presentation board says the terminal station at Renforth station (assumed to be at Renforth and Eglinton) will be at-grade - how will passengers transfer to the Mississauga Transitway's Renforth Station since they are separated by ~400m?

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 09:29

We expect to have more detailed information to share for the station conceptual design and connectivity to the Mississauga Transitway in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work. Having a strong and high-quality connection to existing transit such as the Misssissauga Transitway Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) is a key driver of the benefits of the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension project.

Thanks for you question

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 2, 2020 - 22:24

Cost, delay and disruption is unnecessary for this extension unlike the close quarters of Eglinton east of Keele Street. Money would be better spent elsewhere.

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:31

Extending the Eglinton Crosstown LRT will make it easier for people in the GTA to get where they need to be each day, whether that’s work, home or anywhere in between.

We know that higher-order transit like this is transformative in so many ways. The Eglinton Crosstown West Extension will deliver significant benefits to the community in the form of better access to transit, shorter journeys across the city, better access to jobs, and less traffic on our roadways. It will support the creation of transit-oriented communities where people can live, work and play, contributing significantly to the housing supply across the GTA and creating a more vibrant economy.

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 3, 2020 - 09:31

I live at Scarlett and Eglinton. The road/traffic noise is already quite high. Do you have any idea of how loud the new LRT trains will be? Is it similar to the existing subway or street car services in TO?

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 12:11

Metrolinx has a number of measures it can take to reduce and manage impacts to residents and communities, both during and after construction, which we will use whenever and wherever necessary. Potential noise and vibration mitigation measures are planned to be shared as part of our next round of public engagement activities scheduled Spring/Summer 2020

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Will the elevated stations of Jane and Scarlett will have entrances on both sides of street since the elevated guideway of the Eglinton crosstown lrt west extension will be on the north side of Eglinton?

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Metrolinx
Apr 14, 2020 - 16:09

The alignment and station locations put forward in the Initial Business Case considers a number of factors, including improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work. We will share updates and seek feedback throughout the development of the project.

Anonymous's avatar

There is plenty of room along Eglinton West for surface rail, which is much, much more cost effective. The plan to create subsurface tunnels and stations is incredibly wasteful.

Additionally, the further EA requirements from changing your plan create delays, when we really need more transit ASAP.

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 12:18

We acknowledge that there have been many discussions on how to deliver rapid transit along Eglinton West over the years, and now we are moving forward with a solution. The 2019 budget announcement identified an alignment for the extension that would be mostly underground. The alignment moving forward for further study in the Preliminary Design Business Case provides an optimal trade-off between the ease of local access and the speed of travelling, and outperforms all other options in offering the best network connectivity and travel experience for people living and travelling along the corridor.

 

An addendum to the 2010 environmental assessment for the Eglinton Crosstown is currently underway to capture existing environmental conditions and changes to the alignment and station locations made since 2010. Results of these environmental studies will be shared as part of public engagement activities scheduled happening in Spring 2020.

Anonymous's avatar

To save costs, this portion past Jane St should be at grade. Otherwise, transit users are being treated differently than surface transit users. Also, there are people with claustrophobic issues and this extension would be useless. Eglinton ave itself is wide enough to have surface rapid transit as you could use the protected right of way for the previous Richview Expressway. So, there is NO logical reason to built this line underground.

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Metrolinx
Apr 16, 2020 - 09:27

We acknowledge that there have been many discussions on how to deliver rapid transit along Eglinton West over the years. The 2019 budget announcement identified an alignment for the extension that would be mostly underground. The alignment moving forward for further study balances the ease of local access and the speed of travelling, and outperforms other options in offering the best network connectivity and travel experience for people living and travelling along the corridor.

Anonymous's avatar

Will the public have a real say in station locations at each road intersection? The locations of the cut and cover sites selected will have a real impact on how much the community suffers through construction for months or years. Planners should be compelled to examine/ publish multiple options and justify their choices. Open spaces available on the north or south side of Eglinton would suggest that stations can be constructed with limited disruption to road traffic. The current work on the Eglinton LRT through the city centre would seem to demonstrate a requirement to present lessons learned.

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Metrolinx
Apr 16, 2020 - 09:28

The alignment and station locations put forward in the Initial Business Case considers a number of factors, including improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations.

We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work. You can stay tuned to project updates and sign up for our mailing list at Metrolinx.com/Eglinton West

Anonymous's avatar

Eglinton and Martin Grove is one of the most congested intersections and roadway portions in the city as it is adjacent to the Centennial business park. Majority of business commuters currently live outside the city and must drive in and won't be taken off the road by taking the subway extension. Rathburn and Dixon are quite far away for diverting, Eglinton at the 427 underpass constantly comes to a complete halt. Very happy to see that the system will be underground and will hopefully not further burden this roadway, however, it's unacceptable in its current state. Will there be widening or roadway optimization on Eglinton between Renforth and Martin Grove to mitigate the impact of the extension construction and reduce the gridlock? It can take over 45mins in traffic to travel this 3km(!) stretch of Eglinton.

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Metrolinx
Apr 15, 2020 - 12:27

We know that residents have many questions about the future look and feel of the line as well as their neighbourhoods. As we proceed through the planning process, we will be assessing and managing traffic impacts along the corridor with our community partners.

We will share updates and seek feedback throughout the development of the project. You can stay tuned to project updates and sign up for our mailing list at Metrolinx.com/Eglinton West

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 3, 2020 - 19:53

I live at 1 Richview Rd and my residence faces southeast closest to the LRT underground station. The noise and vibration of LRT cars stopping and starting so close is a health concern for me as a senior.

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 09:46

Metrolinx has a number of measures it can take to reduce and manage impacts to residents and communities, both during and after construction, which we will use whenever and wherever necessary. Potential noise and vibration mitigation measures are planned to be shared as part of our next round of public engagement activities scheduled Spring/Summer 2020

Thanks for your question

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 3, 2020 - 21:43

On the north side of Eglinton between Royal York and Martin Grove, how many living units are being built and will be built thanks to having the Crosstown run underground?

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Metrolinx
Apr 14, 2020 - 16:14

We know that residents and businesses have many questions about the future look and feel of the extension, as well as the benefits and impacts to their neighbourhood. As we proceed through the design and procurement process, we’ll be able to gather and share more specific information, including details on community and environmental impacts, and potential opportunities for partnering with developers. 

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 4, 2020 - 23:20

What is the exact location of Martingrove station?

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Metrolinx
Apr 8, 2020 - 09:48

The Eglinton Crosstown West Extension is still in the early stages of the project, so we don’t have the exact location of stations yet.   For more information about the project and where we are current at please see check back to our site at a later date for more information.

Thanks for your question

Anonymous's avatar

Extending the line less than 3km to Malton station would greatly improve travel to/from Pearson Airport coming northwest from Toronto and the line going to popular destinations such as the Toronto International Centre.

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:35

A representative alignment to the airport is included as part of the Initial Business Case, but more work and consultation with partners will need to be done to finalize specifics around the airport segment.

The airport segment included in the business case is consistent with past alignments that have been presented, but it is largely conceptual. Metrolinx is actively collaborating with the GTAA and municipal partners on the proposed alignment from Renforth Drive to the airport, which takes into account the GTAA’s plans for a Regional Transit Centre.

Anonymous's avatar

What were the main reasons for selecting an at-grade alignment between Renforth and Martingrove Station?

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Metrolinx
Apr 9, 2020 - 16:38

A representative alignment to the airport is included as part of the Initial Business Case, but more work and consultation with partners will need to be done to finalize specifics around the airport segment.

The airport segment included in the business case is consistent with past alignments that have been presented, but it is largely conceptual. Metrolinx is actively collaborating with the GTAA and municipal partners on the proposed alignment from Renforth Drive to the airport, which takes into account the GTAA’s plans for a Regional Transit Centre.

Heather 's avatar
Apr 9, 2020 - 20:06

I am supportive of the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension proposal.

Metrolinx should consider building the extension and stations above-grade to the extent possible.

How is Metrolinx engaging with the City of Toronto and the Province to ensure that development along the West extension from Mount Dennis to Renforth is transit-supportive and results in complete, sustainable communities?

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Metrolinx
Apr 15, 2020 - 12:28

We acknowledge that there have been many discussions on how to deliver rapid transit along Eglinton West over the years. The 2019 budget announcement identified an alignment for the extension that would be mostly underground. The alignment moving forward for further study balances the ease of local access and the speed of travelling, and outperforms all other options in offering the best network connectivity and travel experience for people living and travelling along the corridor. You can find more information in the Initial Business Case.

With regard to your question about transit-supportive development, Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario have established a Transit Oriented Communities (TOC) team, using our combined expertise in transit delivery, land development and commercial transactions, to deliver TOC at new and existing transit stations on behalf of the Province. As we move forward, we will work closely with our municipal partners to integrate this type of development, which is designed to increase transit ridership and reduce traffic congestion, increase housing supply and jobs with access to transit, encourage complete communities, and allow the Province to maximize transit investment while reducing tax payer burden.

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 10, 2020 - 19:05

Will the extension includes a potential direct connection or even interlining with the Jane LRT?

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Metrolinx
Apr 14, 2020 - 16:17

Thanks for your question. The proposed alignment includes a station at Jane and Eglinton that will allow easy connections to existing and future transit on Jane Street.

Anonymous's avatar

Will the trains run on the north side of Eglinton? And which corners of the intersection will the exits be located on?

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Metrolinx
Apr 14, 2020 - 16:19

The Eglinton Crosstown West Extension is still in the early stages of the project, so we don’t have the exact location of stations yet. Tenders has been issued for a contractor and online public consultation is set to begin shortly.  For more information about the project and where we are current at please see here 

http://www.metrolinx.com/en/greaterregion/projects/eglinton-crosstown-west.aspx

Anonymous's avatar
Apr 19, 2020 - 22:38

In the event the Pearson transit hub is canceled, you should also plan the LRT to go around terminals 1 and 3 to serve the airport, then extend it to Malton and expand the station for GO and Via commuters. Just as a back up plan in case the transit hub is canceled.

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Metrolinx
Apr 22, 2020 - 11:29

Thank you for your suggestion. We’re committed to establishing connectivity to Toronto Pearson International Airport and actively collaborating with the GTAA and municipal partners to advance planning.

Anonymous's avatar
May 15, 2020 - 03:44

Will be the Hurontario and Eglinton West LRT lines connected? That would increase mobility a lot. The actual time to move from one side to the another is currently of almost an hour by public transportation, while by car is roughly only 10 minutes. Also, are there any plans for connecting Sheppard West and Sheppard-Yonge lines?

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Metrolinx
Jun 26, 2020 - 15:24

The Eglinton Crosstown West Extension will provide new, convenient connections along a presently rapid transit-deprived corridor with a faster and more reliable service — making it easier for people and businesses along the corridor to connect, invest, and innovate.

Although the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension will not intersect directly with the Hurontario LRT, you’ll be able to connect to both lines on GO and MiWay bus services via a planned connection to the Mississauga Transitway at Renforth Drive, in addition to the connections to UP Express and Kitchener Line GO train service at Mount Dennis and TTC bus services at transit stops in Toronto.

The TTC currently offers a number of bus routes for those looking to travel between Sheppard West and Sheppard Yonge stations. You can find out more about service and schedules for these routes on the TTC website

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Anonymous
Jun 1, 2020 - 23:04

When can we see construction start on the extension? Can it be expedited?

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Metrolinx
Jun 11, 2020 - 16:24

We recognize the need to deliver more transit quickly and safely, and we remain committed to doing so. Planning, design and construction work is continuing on all our projects to ensure we’re on track to deliver much-needed transit relief while creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

A Request for Qualifications (RFQ) for tunnelling was released in March and closed at the end of May. After discussions with the market and after advancing our own design/planning investigations, we determined that this work could begin to keep the project moving forward as fast as possible.

The RFQ is the first step in the procurement process to identify project teams that have the required design and construction capability and experience, and the financial capacity to undertake projects of this size and complexity. At this time, we’re anticipating that we’ll break ground on the tunnel launch shaft by next spring or summer.

Anonymous's avatar

Has Metrolinx done a direct comparison of the costs and benefits of TBM construction versus cut-and-cover construction for the entire length of this line? If so, will this be made public?
TBM Tunnelling has proved extremely disruptive during the Crosstown project, its deeper station and access shafts take longer to excavate and construct. Construction forces/equipment have been on site for years. No part of Eglinton has been spared. While TBM has been claimed to be less intrusive than cut and cover, that simply has not been the case on Eglinton.
Cut and cover represents the opportunity to shorten project execution, and lower the impact on the surface street. It may be cheaper.
Before any further use of TBMs is considered, Metrolinx should justify its construction method in an objective and fact based manner.

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Metrolinx
Jun 26, 2020 - 11:25

Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario are working closely together to ensure we deliver this important project in the best possible way, both during construction and beyond. The experts on both teams will draw on their extensive experience in planning and building complex infrastructure projects under a public-private partnership (P3) procurement model to ensure the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension is delivered efficiently and cost-effectively.

As noted in the recently-released Environmental Project Report (EPR) addendum, the underground alignment will be constructed using a Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM) between stations and a cut-and-cover method at stations and portal locations.

Tunnelling is just one phase of the project, and separate contracts will be issued in the future for the rest of the work, which includes building the stations, fitting out the tunnel and installing and commissioning the systems to put the line in service.

Anonymous's avatar

There appears to be a significant amount of space for an elevated alignment. A significant portion of the Ontario Line will be elevated to lower costs and result in faster completion. Many metro areas e.g. Vancouver, San Francisco Bay have and are building elevated rapid transit lines for those reasons.

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Metrolinx
Jun 26, 2020 - 11:24

Both the Ontario Line and the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension projects feature a mix of at-grade, elevated and underground elements. Decisions on alignments take into account a number of factors, including costs, integration with other transit, community impacts, deliverability and operations, and topography, which are unique to each project. The alignment option we are moving forward from the Initial Business Case provides an optimal trade-off between the ease of local access and the speed of travelling, and outperforms all other options examined in the business case in terms of offering the best network connectivity and travel experience for people living and travelling along the corridor.

Anonymous's avatar

Most of the road between scarlett and martin grove is pretty wide and is enough to accommodate the LRT tracks and stations, not to mention making the road safer (there are too many speeders on eglinton going well beyond the speed limits). It only makes sense in that regard, it'll save plenty of money on tunnel boring machines and station construction.

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Anonymous
Aug 3, 2020 - 02:27

Why this this quite small extension going to take over a decade to build? Other similar sized projects in terms of both scope and budget have taken half that time in other parts of the world.

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Metrolinx
Oct 5, 2020 - 10:43

Planning is actively moving forward on all of the priority transit projects, with procurements currently underway for advanced tunnel work on the Scarborough Subway Extension and the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension. The procurements for each line are being carefully staged and coordinated in order to ensure each and every project is delivered successfully, competitively and efficiently on behalf of the government and taxpayers.

In addition to the four pillar Subway Program projects, we’re building more light rail transit lines, expanding GO train service, and rolling out more bus rapid transit to meet demand and to give people throughout the whole region more options to avoid congested roadways and get where they need to be. We want to be careful about how these projects enter the market, ensuring the contractors we bring in to complete the work have the capacity and experience needed to deliver the projects on time and on budget. Delivery timelines for all of the priority transit projects will be confirmed through their respective procurements.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 30, 2020 - 10:41

The Pearson airport connection should be a separate train and completely separate from the crosstown extension. The Crosstown extension should end and be ready for connection to the mississauga rapid transit, and then plan to eventually transition the bus rapid transit into an extension of the Crosstown train into mississauga connecting to Square One and the Hurontario Line

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Metrolinx
Oct 2, 2020 - 15:17

Thank you for the suggestion. The proposed design moving forward will provide excellent bus connections to key destinations in Mississauga from the Renforth Terminal. We continue to work with the Greater Toronto Airports Authority to explore a future connection to the airport. Stay tuned for updates and engagement opportunities at the project website.    

Anonymous's avatar

Just out of curiosity. If this happens, I plan to take a recording and put it on YouTube. Not to be rude or anything. And besides, I look forward to riding this line.

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Metrolinx
Nov 3, 2020 - 11:16

We appreciate your interest in details about potential construction impacts. In the case of any impacts to private property, we would always reach out to impacted property owners directly. 

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Metrolinx
Nov 9, 2020 - 15:55

Engagement is underway for the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension because it is a funded project currently in the design stage with construction expected to begin next year. At this time, an extension to the east is not funded. 

Anonymous's avatar
Nov 7, 2020 - 01:35

Will the Eglinton Crosstown and it's future western extension run 24 hours replacing the 332/334 buses? Is there the possibility of running a rush hour express bus from Renforth to Mt Dennis while waiting for the Western extension to be built?

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Metrolinx
Nov 9, 2020 - 15:59

At this time, it's too early to know what the service levels will be exactly and in the meantime questions regarding existing TTC bus schedules and routes are better addressed by the TTC directly. Thank you. 

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Metrolinx
Nov 12, 2020 - 15:15

Thanks for your interest in the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension. We’re actively working the Greater Toronto Airports Authority and our municipal partners to explore a planned connection between Renforth Drive to the airport, which will open up even more travel possibilities for airport customers and workers. Between Mount Dennis and Renforth Drive, there will also be convenient links to different transit systems, including the UP Express and Kitchener Line GO train service at Mount Dennis, TTC bus services at transit stops in Toronto, and MiWay and GO bus services via the Mississauga Transitway at Renforth Drive. More work and consultation will need to be done to finalize specifics around the airport segment of the extension, and we’ll have more detailed information to share once that work is completed.

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since the first Eglinton Crosstown segment from Mount Dennis to Kennedy has no elevated stations, what will the 2 elevated stations (Jane & Scarlett) look like on platform level?

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Metrolinx
Dec 9, 2020 - 13:52

Hi, good question. It's still too early to tell because the design of the stations is in the very early planning stage. However, when it's progressed more we will certainly be back out with station specific engagement. Please note that the actual construction on the stations is expected to begin approximately 2025 so we are a while away from having designs to share for your input. Stay tuned though!

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Metrolinx
Dec 9, 2020 - 13:55

Hello, the project will be built through two main construction stages. The first one will include the tunneling. The launch shaft and portal for the tunnel boring machines will start to be constructetd next year at Renforth and Eglinton. The second package is the stations, rail and systems construction that is expected to begin in approximately 2025.  If you haven't already done so, please visit the new Fall/Winter engagement that we posted this week for more information. Thank you!

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Since this extension will terminate at the Pearson International Airport, will the segment between Pearson and Renforth stations be above ground, underground, or elevated?

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Metrolinx
Dec 9, 2020 - 13:58

Good question. The airport segment is still in early design stage. We're working closely with the City of Mississauga, GTAA, and City of Toronto to update the business case and as soon as we have more information to share it will be part of a future engagement. 

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you know that these names of 5 stations already exist on the TTC Line 2 and Future Finch West Light Rail Line. So for this project, what names will you use to rename these 5 stations on this extension?

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Metrolinx
Dec 9, 2020 - 14:01

You're absolutely right and so for the time being we will refer to them at Jane-Eglinton, Royal York-Eglinton and so on. We'll be working with our municipal partners on naming/wayfinding as the project moves forward and will provide more information as soon as we can. 

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Nov 25, 2020 - 00:37

If the Eglinton LRT does eventually reach the airport why not continue it via Woodbine Racetrack & Casino to Humber College and the Finch West LRT thus fully integrating it with another LRT and attraction hub? People deserve to get easily around the whole city, not just East - West.

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You know that the Sloane stop in the surface section between Science Centre and Kennedy has a center platform

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Metrolinx
Dec 9, 2020 - 14:03

Hello, very good question. The station designs are part of the second package of construction and therefore a ways off but we do know that Renforth-Eglinton will be a partially at grade station and provide an easy connection/transfer to the existing Mississauga Transitway Renforth Station and all the transit connections there. Stay tuned!

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Remember that there was an old map about the extension before the new one came: https://www.metrolinxengage.com/sites/default/files/eglinton_west_lrt_-_...

so which map is telling the truth

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Metrolinx
Dec 9, 2020 - 14:05

Hello, good question. The airport segment is still in early design stage. We're working closely with the City of Mississauga, GTAA, and City of Toronto to update the business case and as soon as we have more information to share it will be part of a future engagement. Stay tuned!

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Seamless connection to the 2nd largest employment area is Pearson Airport Area. Why has it taken so long? I know other projects are lined up and committed but hey Pearson Airport area is the second largest employment area and it still does not have that seamless connection to the subway which really is the main line. But you folks are working on it. Thats good. China was third world in 1986 ...look what they have achieved.

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Dec 5, 2020 - 16:08

As understand this project, it might go one of 3 ways.
1) We tender the current plan, which is basically to elevated over Jane/Humber River and tunnel using TBM from Scarlet Road to Renforth - tender as 2 separate contracts - for a cost of $4.7B.
2) We insert some Value Engineering, modify the plan to have the Scarlet Road to Martin Grove portion constructed by cut-and-cover, and elevated from Martin Grove to Renforth - tender as one contract - for a cost of about $3.0B.
3) We issue the contract to the P3 contractor as the entire TBM tunneling and station contract, and allow them to optimize the design.
a) If we allow this at tender, we could likely receive bids in the low $3B range (say $3.5B) - slightly higher than 2) due to uncertainties in the hastily derived design
b) if we allow this as a change proposal, we would likely split the savings with the P3 contractor. Of course the contractor will low-ball these savings, so maybe we would save $0.5B and the total cost would be $4.0B.

So I am curious which route will Metrolinx choose. Will they optimize the design now and complete the line for $3.0B, will they chose the options that are $3.5B to $4.0B, or will they stick with the $4.7B solution.

With Ontario's recent financial and debt problems, I sure hope the least expensive solution that provides a rapid grade-separated solution will be considered.

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Considering how much the pandemic has affected air travel, I think Line 5 should terminate at Pearson Terminals 1 and 3. Even the GTAA admitted that the future for the Pearson Transit Hub is unknown. That way, you can also build the line to Pearson Airport by 2030-31 along with the rest of the line instead of sometime in the future,