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Stouffville Rail Corridor Grade Separations - Previous Questions and Answers - PIC3

Questions and answers from the third round of public consultation can be found below.

You can also read the Q&A forum from the second round of public consultation.

If you have any further questions about the Stouffville Rail Grade Seperations TRAP project please contact the regional address relevant to where your area of interest is located: [email protected] (East of Don River); or [email protected].

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Anonymous
Dec 1, 2020 - 21:45

What about the Finch intersection? Why is that intersection not planned to be grade-seperated?

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Metrolinx
Dec 11, 2020 - 16:02

The TPAP process for the Finch grade separation was completed in 2018. This grade separation is part of the GO Expansion early works, and more project information will be available soon. To stay informed about the Finch Avenue grade separation, and other projects in your area, sign up for updates

Anonymous's avatar
Nov 28, 2020 - 15:11

I have saw all the proposed underpass for the Stouffville Corridor and I found them very useful for the future of GO, though I have other roads you can maybe see and maybe build an underpass such as; Highway 7 near the former and new Unionville GO station, Kennedy Road above Rouge River, MCowan Road (Centennial GO), Markham Road (Markham GO), Bur Oak Avenue (Mount Joy GO), Main Street Stouffville (Stouffville GO).

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Metrolinx
Dec 15, 2020 - 15:50

Thank you sharing your comments on the proposed grade separations for the Stouffville Corridor as your feedback helps inform our work. We’re still in the very early phases of development on this project, but we will incorporate your comments into the Environmental Project Report.

The proposed locations at Kennedy Road and Denison Street were chosen as priority level crossings based on a number of considerations, including volume of traffic, state of readiness and their proximity to a station.

Metrolinx will continue to work with local municipalities to assess the need for more such grade separations. Thanks again for your feedback, and in the meantime, please sign up for your community newsletter here to stay connected and up-to-date.

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Anonymous
Dec 2, 2020 - 10:34

Where are the SmartTrack stations, Finch, Lawrence?

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Metrolinx
Dec 2, 2020 - 18:34

Thank you for your inquiry about Smart Track Stations. The TPAP process for Smart Track stations was completed in 2018, and the final Environmental Project Report can be accessed here. Further news on the Smart Track stations will be available soon, sign up for updates on Metrolinx.com.

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The Markham Road crossing has a very long wait time as it adja

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Thank you for your feedback and interest in our project, it helps inform our work. Your comments have been noted and are a part of the Environmental Project Report. You can sign up for your community newsletter to receive updates and stay connected with next steps here.

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 2, 2020 - 21:17

Hi there, noticed that many of the underpasses have bike lanes or cycle tracks but none are proposed for Denison. Why is that? Given how wide the proposed car lanes and the raised centre median are, there should be enough space to future proof this crossing by putting those facilities beside the sidewalks, no?

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Metrolinx
Dec 4, 2020 - 13:31

Thank you for your interest in the design plans for the road under rail grade separation on Denison Street. We’re still in the very early phases of development on this project, but we will incorporate your comments into the Environmental Project Report. There will be more public consultation to come on the Denison Grade Separation, and we’ll be working closely with the City of Markham and York Region capital works staff on early design plans. It’s important that these issues are raised now, so that we can prepare to discuss them during the design phase. Thanks again for your feedback, and in the meantime, please sign up for your community newsletter here to stay connected, and to receive updates on next steps.

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So much engineering design seems to have been done. There should be more public input into the conceptual design. For example, there seems to be so many road underpasses under the tracks. Why wasn't the public allowed to suggest placing the track in a trench, like the Yonge subway in Rosedale, and having level street crossings, from Finch to Progress?
Metolinx doesn't value public input and just tells the public what it wants to do!
The public input is not timed at meaningful design milestones.

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Metrolinx
Dec 9, 2020 - 17:41

Thank you for your feedback, it helps to inform our work. Metrolinx has extensively consulted with the public as part of the Stouffville Grade Separations Transit Project Assessment Process (TPAP) to gather public feedback regarding the proposed grade separations. As part of the TPAP we have held 3 rounds of public consultation, and updated designs in response to feedback. Where technically possible based on constructability, both road under rail and road over rail options were considered for the grade separations, and a preferred option was selected based on a number of criteria including public feedback. These were presented to the public at the first Public Meetings in February and can be found here: https://www.metrolinxengage.com/sites/default/files/proposed_infrastruct...

Metrolinx  consulted with members of the public in early 2020 when the first Public Meeting was held in February. It consisted of 10 public meetings across the region to introduce the OnCorridor Works, as part of GO Expansion. The material can be found here: https://www.metrolinxengage.com/en/content/go-expansion-program-open-hou....

Due to the COVID-19 pandemic and related concerns regarding social distancing and indoor gathering restrictions, round 2 of consultation was held virtually between August 18, 2020 to September 1, 2020, and it focused on presenting and seeking feedback on newly proposed infrastructure and environmental study results. On September 8, 2020, Metrolinx issued the Notice of Commencement to inform the public of the initiation of the Transit Project Assessment Process (TPAP).

Metrolinx is now holding round 3 of public consultation for the GO Expansion Program from November 27, 2020 to December 11, 2020.

All consultation activities and comments are documented and incorporated into the EPR, and Metrolinx is committed to ensuring that consultation with project stakeholders (affected property and business owners, government agencies, municipalities, elected officials, members of the public) and Indigenous Nations and Peoples will continue beyond the TPAP for the Project.

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 6, 2020 - 10:22

What is the cost of the Stouffville Rail Grade Separations?
How is the cost split, federal, provincial and city?
Are Private, Public Partnerships planned for this project?
If costs are not yet finalized, when will they be made available to the public?

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Metrolinx
Dec 9, 2020 - 16:32

GO Expansion remains a single innovative, fully-integrated P3 contract to run more and better service, fully funded by the province of Ontario. The winning proponent team will be responsible for operating trains to a world-class standard and selecting and delivering the right infrastructure to unlock the benefits of GO Expansion. The contract is in a multi-year procurement process, and currently two teams are completing the bids that will close in 2021. The winning team will design, build, operate and maintain the new infrastructure and trains for 25 years, a massive, multibillion-dollar undertaking. Construction will get underway in 2022.

Final costs, dates and schedule will be determined through the procurement process, and will be announced in 2022 when the contract is awarded and the winning proponent is announced.

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I think Metrolinx (Mx) could help the public by looking at the public’s point of view.
The Stouffville Grade Separation has a defined scope for Mx staff. There are so many Mx projects going on, that there are clear silos for Mx staff. The public does not see distinct projects. We see an overlay of projects.

I know for residents of York, double tracking the Stouffville line has been a life long goal.
Obviously the Stouffville Rail Grade Separation project addresses their need.
Historically, Mx’s proposals to double track the Stouffville line faced great objection from the residents of Scarborough because Mx was going to close roads and never suggested a grade separated junction at Scarborough Junction.
The road closures impacted the motoring public and businesses.

With the advent of SmartTrack, a different segment of the Scarborough Public becomes involved, those who use public transit. Scarborough citizens interested in public transit have had major disagreements with station design on SmartTrack, no parking or kiss and ride at Finch and the unworkable design of Lawrence East. So the public transit citizens view the Stouffville corridor as a Scarborough Transit project.

I hope it is now clear to Mx staff, that the Stouffville Grade Separation project has at least three distinct audiences, the residents of York, the motorists and businesses of Scarborough and the public transit users of Scarborough.

The first two groups should appreciate the progress. For the public transit group, the Scarborough Junction Grade Separation is progress but for SmartTrack to work, Finch cannot be a level crossing so construction of an under/over pass will affect station design.
Any improvements to a Lawrence East station design may affect the current overpass. Mx could be helpful if the Grade Separation team could provide updates on its design, after all it’s all on the Stouffville Line.

At the very least we expect an answer about “grade separation” at Finch!

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Metrolinx
Dec 15, 2020 - 12:14

We understand the importance of not only coordinating our projects but also being able to speak directly to the issues in each community we serve. In the last year our Community Relations team transitioned to a regional model to focus more on all the projects in any given area. Our team can answer questions about all our work in your community regardless of what project it is associated to. This also allows us to better understand each group in the community and their needs as we bring more service to the Stouffville corridor. You can reach out to our Community Relations teams anytime at [email protected].

For the Stouffville line, a second track is currently in construction, and will be complete prior to the GO Expansion program starting construction. The Finch Avenue  grade separation is also an early works project and has been approved through a previous TPAP. There is close coordination of all projects in order to unlock the benefits of GO Expansion. To stay informed about the Finch Avenue grade separation, and other projects in your area, sign up for updates here or contact your Community Relations team.

Anonymous's avatar

How often are you consulting with businesses that will experience impact from this project such as road closures, driveway closures, etc.

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Metrolinx
Dec 11, 2020 - 08:03

Metrolinx has been actively consulting with impacted business owners to listen and respond to concerns and provide an overview of the potential access road options, as part of the Stouffville Grade Separations Transit Project Assessment Process (TPAP). This included hosting meetings with local businesses and site visits to individual facilities to better understand the operational needs of local businesses. Furthermore, as part of the public consultation efforts for the TPAP, we have held three rounds of public consultation since February 2020, where we have presented our latest plans for the proposed infrastructures and sought feedback from all stakeholders.

All consultation activities will be documented and incorporated into the Environmental Project Report and Metrolinx is committed to ensuring that consultation with project stakeholders (local businesses, government agencies, municipalities, elected officials, members of the public) and Indigenous Nations and Peoples will continue beyond the TPAP for the Project.

Anonymous's avatar
Nov 29, 2020 - 23:53

The Markham Road crossing has a very long wait time as it right beside the station. Any plans to relocate the station or otherwise address this issue?

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Metrolinx
Dec 11, 2020 - 18:02

By the time GO Expansion is fully implemented, we’ll be using electric trains and not diesel, which can accelerate and decelerate faster and stay at top speed longer. While there are no plans to relocate Markham GO station, the trains will pull about half as many train cars as they do now, so they won’t be spending as much time blocking traffic at crossings.

In Markham, Metrolinx is currently pursuing road-rail grade separations at Kennedy Road and Denison Street. A grade separation eliminates the intersection of road and rail by repositioning the road over or under the rail corridor. Denison and Kennedy were chosen as priority level crossings based on a number of considerations, including volume of traffic, state of readiness and their proximity to a station. If you would like to learn more, here is some information on the study results for the grade separations proposed at Kennedy and Denison: https://www.metrolinxengage.com/en/content/stouffville-rail-corridor-grade-separations-studies-impacts-and-mitigation.

Metrolinx will continue to work with local municipalities to assess the need for more such grade separations. Thanks for your question, and in the meantime, please sign up for your community newsletter here to stay connected and to receive updates.

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Marc commented on Steve Munro's blog.
"Looking at the plans for the Scarborough Junction it appears that it was not designed to leave room for a future fourth track on Lakeshore East to the east of the junction, even though Guildwood Station was rebuilt recently with room for a fourth track. Also a reply from Metrolinx on their online consultation for this project confirmed they did not consider a fourth track.

Are they needlessly limiting themselves..."

The state of a 4th track in the Lakeshore corridor is an important issue.
There are spokespersons at Metrolinx who claim the 4th track is alive and progressing.
Other Metrolinx staff claim off the record, that Mr. Verster killed the 4th track east at Rouge Point.
There is much confusion on the bridge over the Don River and implications for the 4th track in the Lakeshore corridor and the Ontario Line.
It seems this forum is for the Stouffville Rail Corridor but it joins to the Lakeshore corridor.
Where in the monster of Metrolinx, can the public get the definitive answer on the state of the 4th track in the Lakeshore corridor?

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Metrolinx
Dec 14, 2020 - 15:43

We are anticipating a fourth track to be installed between the Don Valley and Scarbourough GO, to support future ridership capacity. Upcoming early works projects are starting in 2021 including bridge widening and grading to support the future track. For more information about upcoming work, visit the Lakeshore East Rail Corridor page, where you may also sign up for updates.

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 2, 2020 - 23:51

Ques Where are the SmartTrack stations, Finch, Lawrence?

Ans The TPAP process for Smart Track stations was completed in 2018,

These Stouffville grade separations have an impact to SmartTrack.
It appears there are two silos, grade separation and SmartTrack.
It is not obvious that the grade separation project has accomodated any SmartTrack requirement.
These grade separations are important for the motorists but lost is how this corridor could benefit public transit.
Project scopes are not adequately co-ordinated.

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Dec 11, 2020 - 16:51

This TPAP and addenda assesses the environmental impacts of various elements of the GO Expansion program, a single large contract that will deliver the electrification of the core Metrolinx network, hundreds of kilometers of new track, grade separations, new trains as well as the storage and maintenance facilities for the trains. This round of consultation focuses on presenting and seeking feedback on the draft Environmental Project Report findings for the GO Expansion program, including design updates to previously presented infrastructure and associated impacts and mitigations, and updates on operational noise, vibration and air quality assessments. This process builds on previous assessments, and is required prior to the start of construction. Besides helping to reduce traffic wait times at level crossings, grade separations also increase safety and allow trains to travel faster, therefore improving the transit experience for customers.

Station upgrades, new stations and projects that will enable to larger GO Expansion program, have been previously assessed, and are closely coordinated through procurement and construction.

Anonymous's avatar

With the blocking off of Havendale Rd at the R.R. tracks has there been any consideration for the residents living on Belgreen Ave & Farmington Crescent as to the potential increase in traffic volume on these residential streets- increased traffic as a result of vehicles turning off Kennedy Road onto Havendale Rd realizing it’s blocked at the tracks - then using Farmington Cres.& Belgreen Ave to exit the neighbourhood . Likely at an accelerated speed. Lynnwood Public school is in the neighbourhood and with potential of increased traffic school children’s safety may be at risk. Currently these streets have very low traffic volume. What are the measures being taken to make motorist aware ( well in advance) of the fact Havendale Rd. ends at the tracks. There will be a similar situation on the east side of the tracks .

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Metrolinx
Dec 11, 2020 - 07:59

Metrolinx carried out a traffic impact assessment as part of the Stouffville Grade Separations Transit Project Assessment Process. The assessment considered how the closure of Havendale Road may result in localized effects on traffic flow by removing the road as a through-street. Vehicles will be required to reroute to the next nearest crossing of the rail corridor, either Huntingwood Drive to the north or Sheppard Avenue East to the south. The majority of external traffic is anticipated to stay on arterial roads, since there is limited north-south movement potential on side streets in this area, but measures such as signage notifying traffic of the closure will be considered to reduce the possibility of increased traffic from cars driving along Havendale Road and then doubling back due to the closure.

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Covid-19 has made changes to community discussions. I think this Q & A forum is an excellent alternative. I am very interested in what others are asking. I think moderators of the forum do their best to answer the straight forward questions. Experts must answer the more detailed questions.
The public is under the impression that the forum will close Dec 11, yet the experts have not responded to the following questions.

Nov 28, 2020 - More Underpasses
Dec 1, 2020 - Finch Avenue
Dec 6, 2020 - Metrolinx could be more informative regarding SmartTrack ques.
Dec 6, 2020 - We need information on the 4th track in the Lakeshore corridor
Dec 7, 2020 - Proposal to block off Havendale Road at the R.R. Tracks
Dec 7, 2020 - How often are you consulting with impacted businesses?

When will Metrolinx answer questions from the Public?

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Metrolinx
Dec 11, 2020 - 12:09

Our teams are working diligently to ensure that all questions are answered as soon as possible. It is important to note that you can ask questions until the end of the day today. The answers will remain available once the open comment period ends and will become a part of the Environmental Project Report.

Anonymous's avatar

I am concerned about the water runoff. Currently any water on the driveway will runoff onto Progress Ave. As there appears to be a grade differential on your rendered drawings this could cause problems for us particularly in the winter. If there is a problem with the runoff, ice could build on the driveway and become a hazard.

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Metrolinx
Dec 14, 2020 - 14:30

The existing entrance to 24 Progress Avenue will not be affected by the grade separation at Progress Avenue. The elevated roadway will cross over the rail corridor and will meet its current grade level before reaching the intersection with William Kitchen Road. Therefore, no changes to the driveway at 24 Progress Avenue will occur as a result of the Project.

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You have shown plans to build a road over the tracks and block several driveways by doing so. What is the plan as it hasn't been finalized?

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Metrolinx
Dec 10, 2020 - 09:35

A road over rail was selected for Progress Avenue as the preferred option, as a road under rail would be impracticable due to the West Highland Creek. Metrolinx has met with affected property and business owners to gain a better understanding of existing and future planned operations of the properties and will continue to work with business owners as the design progresses. Where driveways are affected, alternate access will be provided. The proposed design is also currently under discussion with City of Toronto and Toronto and Region Conservation Authority, and discussions will continue to confirm details as detailed design progresses.