Silverthorne

I have rarely heard the term Silverthorne. I'm sure most people have not of it. I prefer Keele North.

Few people will know where Silverthorne is. It's much better to call it Keele. That way I at least have an idea of where it is.

Having multiple stations called Keele isn't confusing. People will simply say "Keele Station on Eglinton". It's no more confusing that saying "Keel and Bloor Street".

Not from the area, so not familiar with name Silverthorne. I wouldn't know where this is in relation to Keele though.

I have asked several native Torontonians (born here, lived their entire lives here), and none could recall or locate a neighbourhood by the name of "Silverthorne." This fails principle #4.

Neighbourhood name not familiar. Would prefer Trethewey.

I like recognizing this name.

As an alternative, "Keelesdale" would contain the name of the arterial without being confused with the existing station.

It should be called Parkside!

I've lived in Toronto for 44 years, and have never heard of "Silverthorn". We get along just fine with Lawrence West and Lawrence - why not Keele North? Or Keele Crossing, to marry railroad tradition with the Crosstown name?

Please stick with Avenue Rd.

Ignore previous comment (I posted on the wrong station).

A less confusing alternative name could be Keelesdale.

Everybody riding TTC along Eglinton KNOWS where Keele Street is. NOBODY knows where Silverthorne is unless they live on Silverthorne. KISS

It's a unique name that's easy to pronounce. It will be easy to hear the name over an automated stop announcement/PA system without mistaking it for another station. It may take some getting used to but if we are comfortable with St. Andrew Station on Line 1, this shouldn't be a problem.

Not a familiar enough destination

If I know I need to get off near Keele St and I'm underground, I would have no idea to get off here. Why not Keelesdale or Trethewey?

Doesn't tell me where the station is. Tretheway would be a better name.

Silverthorne will be confusing for some people to remember as a station name on the Eglinton crosstown LRT. Why not Trethewey? People are more familiar with that name.

It is a known neighbourhood, and avoids confusion with 1) Keele Subway, and 2) The split of Keele at Tretheway

People from there know Silverthorne. This is an area that is neglected by people living in other parts of the city. Literally putting "Silverthorne" on the map will help let people know that this neighbourhood exists, and it will humanize the name of the station that would otherwise be just some cross street (Keele or Threthewey).

"Keelesdale" is much better because it includes Keele in the name. I've lived near Eglinton my entire life and have never heard of Silverthorne, except as a minor north-south street.

No one outside the neighbourhood has heard of Silverthorne, it means nothing to over 90% of Toronto

Silverthorne area does not resonate with people who don't actually live in Silverthorne.

Silverthorne name is not familiar. Much prefer Keelesdale, much better known.

Silverthorne is not self-locating. Despite living only a few kilometres from this neighbourhood, I and many other people do not know that it is called "Silverthorne." The thousands more who do not live so close by are even less likely to know it! Even if I did know where Silverthorne is, I would not know that this station is to be found at Keele St, rather than somewhere else in the neighbourhood. I appreciate that including "Silverthorne" is disambiguating, but it should be combined with the street name to be self-locating: "Keele–Silverthorne" or "Silverthorne (Keele St)".

I've used the University subway for decades, but I only know its station names by memorization; the landmarks used are not meaningful to me, while their street names are. Luckily, the Yonge line being right next to it makes it easy to see which station is where, but ultimately those station names could be random words and would be just as useful.

I strongly like the name but I don't understand the letter "e" at the end of the word. Everything in the area with Silverthorn as a title comes without the "e" at the end.

Go with either Keele North or Keelesdale as the name from this station.

Trethewey would be more in line with a name than Silverthorne. What/where does the name Silverthorne come from? I'm nearer to Bathurst so going west, I'd have no idea what a Silverthorne is nor that is the stop I want for Keele.

Because it's a single word.

Keele North
or
Keelesdale

I have never heard of Silverthorne

I think this is a great name for the station but prefer the spelling without the 'e' on the end

Should say Keele St.

New York has many duplicate station names and it doesn't seem to be an issue. Even "Keele (5)" takes fewer characters than Keelesdale.

No one will know where Silverthorne is. I live in the area and hate the name and never refer to the area by that name. There is Lawrence and Lawrence West, St Clair and St Clair West, etc.
The KISS principle should apply
K - keep
I - it
S - simple
S - stupid
The name should remain Keele or Keele West or Keele North

Silverthorn is the name of a prominent high school in Etobicoke and stop on he St Clair streetcar, York Centre or Keelesdale would be a more logical name as this was the center of the borough of York. Keelesdale would be good as it is the community name and eludes to Keele St. which is main intersection.

The Silverthorne neighborhood is actually between St Clair and Rogers. Keelesdale is the more relevant neighborhood name for this area and the station should be named Keelesdale.

...or Keelesdale

Silverthorne is not an extremely well known name for a neighbourhood in Toronto. It is misrepresentative of the neighbourhood, as many institutions within the area are named "Silverthorn", without the "e" (e.g. Silverthorn Community School). It is confusing and not self-locating, as the station will be located at/around Keele St. but will be perceived to be named after "Silverthorn Avenue", which is approximately 3 blocks east and does not even intersect Eglinton Avenue.

A better name might be "Trethewey", which will reflect the station's closest major N-S street that is not Keele; "Keele & Eglinton", which will reflect the major intersection it serves; or "Keelesdale", which is a more well-known neighbourhood name.

I like the name in general, but I have never heard of that neighbourhood, so it wouldn't be helpful identifier for me.

I live near Keele & Eglinton. I wouldn't know where Silverthorne is. Tretheway is a better name

Silverthorne reminds me of Silverthorne Collegiate, which isn't in this area.

I have lived in Toronto my entire life and have never heard the area around Keele and Eglinton be referred to as "Silverthrone". Those unfamiliar with the city would be even more confused.

A lot more people will know where Keelesdale is than this name... what is it again?

At least call it "Keele-Silverthorne" to indicate that it's on Keele street. Otherwise, that name just doesn't mean much to most of us.

Unfortunately, a lot of Toronto's neighbourhood names just aren't that memorable by themselves. Neighbourhoods that are centrally-located, older, denser, and have lots of well-known shops, landmarks, entertainment venues, and restaurants tend to be the ones that become well-known to the point of being self-locating by name. For example: The Annex comes up a lot in Toronto-based search queries and news articles. Silverthorne? Not so much:
http://www.google.ca/trends/explore?hl=en-GB&q=toronto+annex,+toronto+si...

Better to add Keele to the name to give it more self-locality.

Trethewey or Keele North Would Be Much Better

It's unique rather then Trethewey or Keelesdale

"Silverthorne" captures the neighbourhood, but this is not a well-known neighbourhood city-wide, so people will not necessarily associate it with Keele Street. People in Toronto use cross street names first and foremost when navigating, so it would be helpful to have this referenced in the name. So "Keelesdale" would be a better station name, as it is a unique nearby neighbourhood, but also hints at the cross street name.

Trethewey is better for orientation

When I read the name "Silverthorne" I had absolutely no idea where on the LRT it was located--and, I used to live in the area long ago! I actually liked the suggestion on the message board "Keele Crossing"--Keele should be in the name.

As someone who lives in the East side of Toronto, if I heard Silverthorne as a neighbourhood, I wouldn't have an idea as to where it is, so that is why I don't particularly prefer the name. If it was Keele North, York Centre, or Tretheway, I'd have more familiarity with it. For the most part I think people recognize streets more so than neighbourhoods, unless they are famous or live close by.

Keelesdale makes more sense for this area - it places it at Keele Street, and makes it stand out from the existing Keele station on the Bloor subway line. And like Fairbank, today is the first time I've heard of Silverthorne - I've lived in this city for 18 years and do make a point of getting to know the various parts of the city...

The name "Keelesdale" better represents the area and makes it easier for people to understand that it travels near Keele Street. It is also the name of an old street that was in the area prior to the construction of Black Creek Drive and was located right beside the Old Kodak plant for decades. So, "Keelesdale" would represent a piece of history for this area.

Keep it simple folks

Never heard of Silverthorne before. Keele North, Keelesdale, and Tretheway would all be better options.

Riders planning to change to surface transit on Keele will no know this is the stop they need until they arrive there and see it in brackets under the station name. If not Keele-Eglinton, then consider "Silverthorne-Keele".

As others have noted, name is not familiar. One gets the impression that that those who proposed the name simply went to Google Maps and picked the closest community name shown. Perhaps consider "York Centre" since Keele is close to the York Civic Centre,

It's the name of the area, so it's known by all locals, and more from the surrounding region. It works, and also sounds cool.

After reading the other comments, I guess it's not really known at all. Keelesdale sounds appropriate, but I guess you guys didn't suggest that since it's very similar to Keele.

"Keele North." Stop trying to be clever, Metrolinx.

Keele is a duplicate name.

Silverthorne is good, but "Keelesdale" would be even better because on top of evoking a nearby neighbourhood, it hints at the cross-street without being redundant with Keele station on Line 2.

I have never heard of Silverthorne. Is it in Toronto?

Silverthorne is a recognize street/area.

I don't believe this nieghbourhood name is used locally at all. Why not Trethewney?

It is easier for everyone to identify where a cross street is. Silverthorne isn't known GTHA wide. Keel North might have been better especially since it is an underground pseudo-subway

Keelesdale would locate the street and would not duplicate Keele Station (line 2). Keelesdale would also connect with the neighbourhood north of the station.

When everyone is arguing on Keele vs Silver, I propose 'Junction North' - BOOM!

It should be called whatever street it is on. In this case, this should be called "Keelsedale Station".

Tretheway makes more sense that Silverthorne. I didn't know this was the neighbourhood until I read it today.

Although I really like the idea of using neighbourhood names for stations, if the street name is already used elsewhere, I think Silverthorne is not known enough by people so that it's recognizable as being around Keele Street. A much, much better choice for this station is "Trethewey" -- a secondary artery that also connects at Keele Street and a name that has historical ties to the area, since the Trethewey family developed parts of the area. And, it has a transit history, too, since the TTC operated a "Trethewey" route from 1947 until 1972. See: http://transit.toronto.on.ca/bus/routes/83-trethewey-19.shtml.

Having the name of the major cross street in the station name is critical to being able to navigate a system effectively. I support Eglinton-Keele as the station name. Perhaps all of the stations could be named with a similar format. Please do not use the name of the local area as it will be completely unhelpful for riders. I feel the same way about the other proposed station name changes. Thank you for seriously considering this feedback.

Keele North or similar would be much better.

Few in city are familiar with name. Call it Keele. Or Eglinton-Keele. Names should be simple and obvious. This one is dumber than Ford.

This name means nothing. The name of this neighbourhood is seldom used.

Literally never knew this area was called silverthrone until now. So no. Keelesedale or Keele-Eglinton is my pick.

Silverthorne is not know to 99% of the residents of Toronto. If you can't use "Keele and Eglinton" then use Keelesdale. It, at least , has the word Keele in it.

It tells me nothing about the stop or where it is. Stop names should be based on known neighbourhood names or local landmarks.

Silverthorne does not resonate with me. I associate other identifiers with the area, such as Black Creek, Trethewey Drive and Keelesdale Park. I think Metrolinx could find an alternative name.

I have literally never heard this name before.

I don't mind it but Trethewey or Keelesdale would also work.

At least with this name, I've heard of its use before -- there's the Silverthorn CS not far south of here -- but it's also confusing because there's Silverthorn CI several miles to the west in Etobicoke.

I think the idea of not duplicating names is helpful (We'll have Keele stops on Lines 1-2 and on the Finch LRT soon), but this needs a rethink.

Additionally, people should be able to figure out from the map what transfer services run from a given station. I will know that I can take the Keele bus from Keele Station, eg. Alternatively, maps could list the transfer services, and the automatic speeches at each underground stop could name the transfers, like they do on the London Underground. "This is Silverthorn Station. Transfer at surface level for the Keele bus."

Keelsdale is better

Not Silverthorne.

"Keele North" is good (like the already existing Lawrence West / Lawrence example.)

If you absolutely don't want to use Keele in the name, then "Trethewey" is a much better choice.

The work KEEL should be present in combination with another logical name.

I thought Silverthorne was in Etobicoke where the high school is.

It's good but "Keele south" is better.

As a traveler I wouldn't know Silverthorne. Maybe locals know this more. Street signage of the local BIA days Eglinton Hill, it was the center of York or Yorktown, and Keelesdale is more obviously located at Keele.

I don't live in the neighbourhood and reading the comments I have never heard of Silverthorne. I've actually heard of Trethewey but it is harder to pronounce. I'd prefer one of either Keele North (boring) Keele-Eglinton (follows the Bloor-Yonge / Sheppard-Yonge convention) or Keelesdale which sounds rather nice.

Grew up in this area. Silverthorne or Keelesdale, either one would be lovely!

I like the neighbourhood-based naming pattern, as long as a format similar to the University Line is used, with a subscript indicating the actual cross street, since a neighbourhood is not as specific.

The neighbourhood's name is spelled "Silverthorn" and not "Silverthorne". Otherwise this is a good unique name that doesn't sound like any other station on the TTC. I was familiar with the name and I don't live in the area, and as soon as it starts being used people will get where it is. Having two Keele stations would just be confusing.

I grew up here. It's always been Keelesdale.

No one likes that name and no one wants that name for Keele Street stop. Name it something relevant to the neighbourhood that people would be like "Okay this is my stop, lemme get dafuck off this LRT now". TTC y'all piss us off all the time, getchyo shit2gether for once DAMN.

Here's an idea name the stop after the High School at the same corner? "York Memorial Station" or "Keelesdale Station" cause this areas been Keelesdale since time, like dafuck?

Not a familiar name or neighbourhood and a majority of Torontonians have no idea where or what "silverthorne" even is????? Naming it silverthorne would not be beneficial at all towards the self-locating factor. Maybe a name like "York Station" or "York Memorial Station" (as the infamous school is right there) or even "Keelesdale".

Also, in regards to other comments.... calling it "keele" is just dumb because there's already an existing keele station and "keele north" is just ugly.

Although Silverthorne is quite unique (I love it because I am from this area and would definitely identify it as Silverthorne), it would be difficult to self-locate for those unfamiliar with the neighbourhood. Keelesdale is a much better option that retains the sense of cumminty but also allows self-location.

Not self-locating.

Silverthorne is okay, but York would be better. This was the center of the old Borough/City of York

Never heard of this street/area and suspect most people would say same thing.

If Keele North is not an option, please use Keelesdale. Sliverthrone is not that well known

The community name is not meaningful to me. I don't think most Torontonians would recognize the name, either. If you want to use a name for the local area, Keelesdale would be more recognizable.

If I need a map to see where it is, it's a bad name. This is a bad name. Maybe "Eglinton & Keele" or "Keele/Trethewey"

Where the heck is Silverthorne? Transit names should not confuse transit riders. Keele is a major artery of the city and NEEDS to be identified on this map. Name it "Keele Midtown".

Just call it Keele, please. There's no reason we can't duplicate stop names in our system. It works fine for surface routes where we have dozens of Queen Streets etc. Embrace the fact that Toronto is set up in a grid system like New York who isn't afraid to have 4 different 125th St stations among other duplicated stations.

Not many people know the name Silverthorne. Unless before the stations roll out you give a history and goegraphy lesson on Toronto and it's neighbourhoods. That might be a good idea actually. My vote is Keele/Trethewey

I wonder how many transit users will know that Silverthorne references the neighbourhood? But much like St. Andrew and St. Patrick stations, transit users will come to associate the name to mean the Eglinton LRT stop at Keele. Much like the subway station platforms that read St. Andrew (King St.), because the station name will mean nothing to so many riders I suspect that the sign on the LRT station platform will read Silverthorne (Keele St.).

This station is at Keele. Name it as such.

For any station on the street/road grid the station should be named after the appropriate cross street for the line, with the line's name (e.g. Eglinton or Yonge) added for clarity when making construction or delay announcements.

You're running a transit system, not a tourist guide. The KISS principle applies. The line intersects Keele St, a major opposing thoroughfare, so it's Keele station. Anything else may be cute, have a hidden meaning or be locally identifiable, but it won't clearly convey where you are geographically, which is what all normal people use to plan trips and determine routes and connections. Since there's already a same named station on the B-D subway, maybe differentiate by calling this one 'Keele Centre' or 'Keele L' to associate with the 'L'RT.

Keelesdale would be better as it contains the name of the major cross-street.

North Keele, Keelesdale or Keele -Tretheway to denote the crossroads or York centre to invoke the civic center and high school at the intersection. All are better then Silverthorne.

Similar to what others have said... where is Silverthorne?? Not a widely known part of town. Keele is the major cross street and the name of the station should reflect that. Keele North?? or Keelesdale if there's an aversion to naming stations after the actual major cross street.

I agree with the reasons enumerated and the local historical connection

I like the name for its historical connection, but see most don't agree. It's an easy name to say and it's irrelevant that it may presently not be known. When the new line is operating riders will see the name on route maps, station directories and aboard-train listings. So everyone will learn it lies between Mt Dennis and Caledonia (which is several blocks west of Caledonia Rd). Riders will figure out which station is closest to their destination.

Silverthorne is not well known. If anything it should be Keelesdale, or Keele North

People who travel to this stop are more familiar with the Stop as Keele & Eglinton but I understand, since Keele is already a stop on TTC that's not a good option. I would suggest to go with a stop named as "Keelesdale" as it still has "Keele" in it and it's easier to relate with Keele street. It is especially good to relate for somebody who is travelling to this neighborhood for the first time.

Never heard of the "Silverthorne", lived in TO my entire life. Perhaps name it "Silverthorne (Keele)". Don't name it "Eglinton-Keele", that makes it seem like a transfer station. Don't name it "Keele North" since that will conflict with future transit lines that will cross Keele.

"Keele-Silverthorne" would be better. I prefer a street name be included. As with all the other names, I prefer street names be included.

Silverthorne is problematic as one of the larger high schools in Etobicoke—nowhere near here—is called Silverthorne. Naming this station that way will cause unending confusion for the school, even though the neighbourhood to the south has this name. This station could easily be called Trethewey after the main street that also meets at Eglinton and Keele. Another choice would be Keelesdale, which is sufficiently different enough form just Keele on its own, while still relating it to this major street. I don't think you should be afraid of that: it's as different as Dundas West (and all the other East and West stations) and no-one seems to have problems with those. Silverthorne, however would be a mistake.

just horrible.

The big problem with Silverthorn Avenue is not only is it a long street that stretches from St. Clair Avenue West to Venn Crescent, but also it looks like it is closer to Caledonia station. Moreover there is a Silverthorn stop on the TTC's St. Clair right of way streetcar line. The durability, logic, and self-locating principles of the name do not seem to hold. Having lived in the neighbourhood for over ten years, I have never heard anyone refer to the area as Silverthorne.

Better suggestions are to name the station to reflect the area's very distinguishable hilly terrain. If a historical perspective is preferred, naming the station to reflect the area's contribution to World War I, World War II, and the Korean War. Many residential streets, such as Ypres Road and Yarrow Road, were named to reflect the War heritage. In 1929, the old township of York council decided to honour the youth killed in WWI by creating York Memorial Collegiate. There are intentionally 11 steps leading up to the high school entrance, to commemorate the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, when peace was declared. Clearly the neo-gothic architecture reflects a grand military appearance. A final suggestion would be to name the station at Keele and Eglinton after it's vast industrial heritage in farming, mining, fishing, lumber, and most recently photography (many local residents used to work at the old Kodak factory).

I have not made any specific name suggestions, but I strongly suggest a more durable and logical name than Silverthorne as the new name for the station at Keele and Eglinton.

The Silverthorne name is appropriate but the sub name "Keele St" should be placed on station platforms. This keeps the naming format similar to the one used for stations on the University Line.

Nice. good to see neighbourhood names. The street names are actually quite dull.