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Ontario Line LIVE - West segment - September 9, 2021

Archive - September 9, 2021

On September 9, 2021, Metrolinx hosted a presentation and live Q&A focused on Exhibition, King-Bathurst and Queen-Spadina stations with over 100 people in attendance. During the virtual open house, we answered top-voted questions submitted by registrants, as well as live questions from participants using a call-in option. Participants asked a variety of questions related to the project plans and station design, transit connectivity, future station names, and more. You can find answers to all submitted questions below.

For those who weren’t able to join us, you’ll find the video recording below. We’re looking forward to holding many more meetings in the future.

 

Agenda

6:30PM: Meeting Begins/Opening Remarks

6:35PM: Presentation: Ontario Line Project Update for Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations

7:00PM : Questions and Answers (pre-submitted questions)

7:30PM: Questions and Answers (call-in questions via Zoom)

7:55PM: Wrap up and Closing Remarks

Meet the Speakers

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Richard Tucker

Ontario Line Project Director

Photo of Malcolm MacKay

Malcolm MacKay

Sponsor for the Ontario Line Project

Celia Johnstone<br />

Celia Johnstone

Ontario Line Technical Advisor ​

Transportation Architecture Principal at HDR

 

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James Francis

Manager, Environmental Programs and Assessment Team

Format & Accessibility

Questions will be answered based on popularity (total votes). We aim to answer all questions.

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Your Questions Answered:

i. Will the Ontario line's number come from TTC Line 3?

ii. What Name to give this Line. I suggest giving all Transit Lines in GTA a single letter, and every station a number. GO lines get a two letter name. Thus, we get Line Y, Line B, Line S, Line E, Line O, Line F - and Line H in Mississauga. For GO, we have Line LW, ML, KI, UP, BA, RH, ST, LE. Without any explanation - everyone is 100% clear which lines are referred to with the letters. Meanwhile, there is no intuitive logic to the Line numbers that were created very recently.

We continue to work closely with our partners at the TTC to ensure our services complement one another and best serve the community, including finding a suitable line number and whether the Ontario Line will become Line 3 as the Scarborough RT is retired.

i. Exhibition Station is too far south to serve Liberty Village well. It also puts the terminus in an uninhabited no-man's land and forces any future extension to go too far south to serve really anybody. Is the faint hope of Union Station diversion (which only benefits people not from Toronto) really worth the enormous sacrifices to service and expansion Toronto residents must suffer from this decision?

ii. I had thought that a preferred routing would have continued on Queen and then cut south around Dovercourt to interchange with the Kitchener Line (@ Liberty Station) and with Lakeshore West Line (@ Exhibition). Since the boat has passed on this, how about having a Gondola transit line to connect some key points missed by the Ontario Line. This would start at Liberty Station, go to Exhibition Station, to Ontario Place Station (at Central Entrance), to Strachen Station (Princes Gates), to YTZ Station (Little Norway Park), to Spadina (on Queens Quay), to Rogers Centre Station (on Bremner), to Union Station (immediately south of Union GO). This 8 Station, 5 km long transit line could have capacity in the 5000 ppdph range and connect several high demand locations to a number of high capacity lines, such as Kitchener GO, Lakeshore West GO and Ontario Line in the West, and Yonge Line plus all GO services at Union Station.

iii. Why follow the Lakeshore west GO tracks and end at Exhibition instead of following the Georgetown GO tracks, with a stop in the heart of Liberty Village where people actually live, work, and shop, and could connect with SmartTrack? What is the future west expansion plan from Exhibition Station? There is no easy access from Liberty Village to the UP express, even though the train goes right by, only bus access from Liberty to Bloor/Ossington, and smart track doesn't go to Dundas west/Bloor GO station either.

According to our projections, Exhibition will be the third busiest station on the Ontario Line after Queen and East Harbour Stations. As you can see from the Exhibition Station walkshed in our April open house presentation (slide 14), this station will be able to serve much of the Liberty Village neighbourhood within a comfortable 10-minute walk. We project that about 12,100 people and 17,600 jobs will be within walking distance to the station. You can learn more on the Exhibition Station page on our website.

Aligning Ontario Line construction work within the existing rail corridor at Exhibition Station will also help minimize impacts to the community while creating stronger connections to GO train services, and bringing people to Exhibition Place, Liberty Village and Ontario Place, which are popular year-round destinations.

During the planning process, we studied station locations with a focus on increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, reducing overcrowding on existing transit services and creating better access to jobs. If you want to learn more about the planning process, you can read the Preliminary Design Business Case (page 41 provides an overview of the West segment Ontario Line stations and the rationale for selecting these locations).

Even though the line will be above ground for some sections of track, will it still have Automatic Train Control (ATC) at those sections?

Yes, the Ontario Line will have Automatic Train Control (ATC) functions across the line.

We will use a dedicated signalling system that will use the latest signalling and monitoring technology. This system will ensure trains are in constant communication with one another so their precise location is known at all times, meaning vehicles always stay a safe distance from one another. With sensors that can detect objects on the tracks, trains will also automatically stop if there is something blocking the way. Moreover, train doors will automatically open and close in sync with platform edge doors that will be installed at all stations, keeping both passengers and objects safely separated from moving vehicles.

You can learn more about the planned ATC functions for the Ontario Line in our Preliminary Design Business Case (page 125).

i. Like Queen and Yonge streets going to close to build the Ontario line stations will we see more closures on Queen like Queen and Spadina for this build as well and will it take 5yrs as well?

ii. How will the construction of the Line and the station at Queen Spadina affect the operation of the North-South Spadina streetcar? Will the streetcar be affected and how, and for how long? Will there be an interruption of the Spadina car that requires buses to replace them, and if so, for how long and what is the start date and end date?

We do not anticipate any further full traffic diversions in this area due to Ontario Line construction, beyond what has been proposed for the nearby Queen Station area.

The planned construction methods will help minimize impacts to the surface network. There will be lane restrictions at times, but we are planning these with the City of Toronto and TTC to minimize impacts.

Since you're spending money for building the Ontario line, it's important that you should also focus on integrated fares.

The Ontario Line will provide a seamless travel experience for customers. It will run as part of the existing TTC network and be accessed with a TTC fare. As they do today, customers will pay with PRESTO.

As outlined in our Preliminary Design Business Case, we are working with our partners at GO and TTC to ensure customers can move seamlessly between services and do not need to worry about the operator of the bus or train that gets them to where they need to go within the city, consistent with the vision of the Metrolinx 2041 Regional Transportation Plan.

Instead of the completely anonymous and uninspired unpainted grey subway trains, can you paint the Ontario line trains with the same livery used for TTC buses and streetcars OR, if Metrolinx wants to keep brand it as a Metrolinx asset, give the trains the livery of GO Transit buses and trains.

Thank you for the suggestion! We will pass it on to our teams. Please note that the exact trains used for the Ontario Line will be determined by the successful proponent for the Rolling Stock, Systems, Operations and Maintenance (RSSOM) procurement contract, based on Metrolinx’s requirements.

The line is projected to have a daily ridership of 388,000 people and will be using light metro technology (perhaps similar to TTC Line 3 or the Vancouver Skytrain). However, the Expo Line in Vancouver had a daily ridership of around 290,000 people (pre-COVID) and was overcrowded and operating near capacity. If the Ontario Line is to use light metro technology similar to the Expo Line and have about 98,000 more daily riders, wouldn't the line be at or near capacity? I know the line will be operating at 90 second intervals. However, the Expo Line operates at 108 second intervals and is still overcrowded. Will the 18 seconds make much of a difference in terms of capacity? Also, ridership will almost certainly increase (though new developments near stations, as well as extensions to the line). Therefore, will the line eventually be overcrowded, if not recently after opening?

Using modern technology that has been adopted by subway systems around the world, the Ontario Line will be able to deliver better, more reliable service. 

As you noted, we expect the line to feature modern, automated trains like the ones used in Vancouver, Paris, London, and Singapore. We will be able to cycle these through the system faster, which as you noted, means that we can run up to 40 trips an hour with as little as 90 seconds in between trains. The Ontario Line trains will be 100 metres long, compared to 68 metres for Vancouver Expo Line trains. Additionally, the train interiors will be designed so they can be reconfigured to increase capacity and keep up with growth in the future.

We will also be constructing platform-edged doors to help make service more reliable by preventing things like debris from compromising the tracks.

This frequent and fast service will ensure the line has the capacity it needs for at least half a century.

You can also find more information, including a comparison between the Ontario Line and Vancouver Expo line in our Preliminary Design Business Case (page 52).

i. The Province's transportation plan makes mention of an "Ontario Line Loop Concept" with no further mention of what it is. It is hard to give feedback on the Ontario Line, knowing that there is a second phase being planned with which the public has no visibility. What is the Ontario Line Loop concept. How will it impact the current Ontario Line? What are its goals? When can we see what it is?

ii. Will there be plans to extend Line 3 Ontario north east to Don Mills Station and North west to Dundas West Station?

iii. The Ontario Line should be continued west along The Queensway and then along Dundas Street in Mississauga, connected with a future Waterfront LRT at Exhibition Station and a future High Park Station, and a second separate line should be built between Dundas West Station (with future local service in support of the GO service towards the northwest), along the King Street providing express service in support of the King Streetcar, then east along Kingston Road to meet up with the future Eglinton East LRT extension at Kingston and Eglinton.

Our plans protect for the possibility of expanding both ends of the line in the future to improve transit access and meet demand.

Tail tracks, west of Exhibition Station and north of Science Centre Station, will provide space for the storage of vehicles and protect for future expansion.

i. You are avoiding non-softball questions that have many upvotes! Really not appreciating that you are avoiding questions that have gained a lot of public interest and are not "softball" questions.

ii. This is not public engagement. Answer questions that people are interested in, not ones Metrolinx employees posted!!!!

Thank you for sharing your feedback with us. As the moderator noted during the event, there were changes in the order of questions throughout the live open house due to questions being upvoted.

Please know that for all questions received, including those we do not get to answering during the open house, we work to post responses here on the event page as soon as possible.

We also always welcome questions, comments or feedback via email at [email protected], by phone at 416-202-5100, and you can book a meeting with a member of our team on our website at a date and time convenient for you.

There should be calendar files built into these meeting notices to allow people to add them to their calendar at the push of a button. This doesn't need addressed during the meeting, but would be helpful for future meetings.

Thank you for your suggestion! We are continuing to refine our engagement format and options, and we will pass on this feedback to our web teams.

i. Since Queen/Spadina and King/Bathurst stations are located in their districts or neighbourhoods, may I suggest that:

  • King/Bathurst renamed Fashion District
  • and Queen/Spadina renamed Alexandra Park

ii. Suggested name for the King & Bathurst Station, "Wheatsheaf". Suggested name for the Queen & Spadina Station, "Fashion". Suggested name for Queen & Yonge, "City Hall". Suggested name for Pape & Danforth, "Danforth".

iii. How can the community be involved in the station naming process?

These current station names are working names, and we will hold a public consultations in the future to provide an opportunity for the community to have input on the final names. We will share details about these consultations well in advance and across multiple channels so people have ample notice.

Why did you finish early? It was supposed to go to 8pm. Why did you finish 10 minutes early and not deal with more questions?

We apologize for the error and any inconvenience this may have caused.

Please know that we endeavour to post responses to all questions received during virtual open houses on the event’s page. If we do not get to answer a question live, we will work to make a response available as soon as possible following the event.

We appreciate you sharing this feedback with us, and we are working to improve our public engagement format going forward.

1. Why do you send out your Ontario Line newsletters every week on a Friday afternoon around 4 pm? Last week you did one at about 420pm on a Friday afternoon of a long weekend. What is your justification for doing so? That's completely insane.
2. Has Phil Verster and your Metrolinx board been apprised of that as yet?
3. Please supply the facts, the actual on-line readership metrics, comparison with other times, and the communications rationale that supports that?
4. Is Metrolinx governed by Provincial FOI legislation so that one can apply for answers to the above 2 questions? If so, what is the contact info and info on the process to begin that?

Our weekly newsletter that goes out each Friday provides a recap of the announcements, events, project developments and any milestones that happened over the previous week.

Sending our update out each Friday afternoon also allows us to prepare and compile construction notices to let the community know about upcoming work the following week.

Nonetheless, we appreciate you sharing your feedback about the timing. We are always looking to reach as many people as possible with our communications, and will continue to monitor complaints regarding the newsletter as well as open and read rates to ensure effectiveness. Feel free to make an appointment to discuss this item with us.

As an Agency of the Province of Ontario, Metrolinx is subject to the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act (the Act). Instructions on submitting an FOI request can be found here: http://www.metrolinx.com/en/aboutus/freedom-of-information-requests.aspx

Will passengers still have to safari across an asphalt desert to and from the Exhibition Station to reach Ontario Place?

We are currently looking at connection opportunities to bridge what the transit planning community calls the “last mile” between Exhibition Station and Ontario Place. A number of options are being considered to bring visitors to Ontario Place, including automated people movers or cable cars, similar to those used in Singapore, Dubai and Tokyo.

Will the transfer connections between the Ontario Line and the streetcars, buses, community buses, and GO Trains be short and easy to use by actual people? Many of the current stations on the Line 1 extension and Eglinton Crosstown LRT have l-o-n-g walks between trains and connecting public transit vehicles. That's would discourage use, especially if people have walking problems (like a broken leg after a skiing accident).

One of our top priorities is creating a positive customer experience, and that includes making sure there are quick and seamless transfers between the Ontario Line and connecting transit services.

At Exhibition Station, for example, this new transit hub will create a convenient transfer point for customers, offering seamless and direct connections between GO and Ontario Line subway service as well as offering transfers to TTC streetcars. 

At King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations, we have also looked at placing station entrances near streetcar stops to make for an easy connection to the surface network.

You can see our current plans and how they align with existing transit services on the station maps under the West Segment Neighbourhood Updates section on our website.

Please clarify how the future design of Exhibition Station (the full plan on slide 8, not the early works) will support (and not hinder) the TTC's ongoing plan to extend the streetcar line west from Exhibition Loop to connect to Dufferin Gate Loop. That work has been in planning for years but the proposed design shown here provides no indication of how it will align with that plan.

We are working closely with the TTC on their plans for the extension. Please note that the TTC will announce their plans for the extension, which is currently in design.

We are also working together to ensure our projects are coordinated, and to create seamless transfer opportunities in the future.

Besides Exhibition and Science Centre stations, what other stations will have double track crossovers and storage tracks?

We are also planning for crossovers between Queen and Moss Park Stations, Corktown and East Harbour Stations, Pape and Cosburn Stations, and at the maintenance and storage facility.

Will you also construct DWA's (Designated Waiting Area) inside the stations, and if you do, how many payphones and Passenger Assistance Intercoms will you add to a station platform?

We will have designated waiting areas with seating, a high level of lighting, and passenger assistance intercoms. Although we will not have payphones, we are also looking at other amenities like charging stations, and customers will be able to communicate with the Station Manager through the passenger assistance intercom. We’ll have more information to share about these features as we prepare more detailed designs.

Will all the stations have indoor and outdoor bicycle parking? If yes, just say so. If no, what are the stations that will have an indoor and outdoor bicycle parking?

We are exploring opportunities to include bike storage at stations wherever possible.

At Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations, we are looking to integrate secure, long-term bicycle storage infrastructure.

i. Will all the stations have indoor and outdoor retail space? If yes, just say so. If no, what are the stations that will have an indoor and outdoor retail space?

ii. What restaurants will you build for retail space? McDonald's, Tim Hortons, Coffee Time, etc.

The design process is still underway, so we do not yet have these details for all stations.

Transit use is our priority when designing stations, and there will be opportunity for retail development in the future.

We do know that the Exhibition Station redesign, for example, will feature room for retail space.

What kind of typeface should the Ontario line use for wayfinding signage? ClearviewADA or Swiss721?

We will adhere to Metrolinx’s Wayfinding Design Standard, which does include ClearviewADA. We will ensure that any typeface used in wayfinding and signage is accessible.

i. What kind of elevators will you use for the Ontario line? The ones used on the Toronto subway or the ones used on the Eglinton Crosstown?

ii. Once the new line opens, how many elevators will Exhibition station have?

Our standard is to provide a minimum of two elevators at stations. This ensures that we still have options for those with mobility challenges if one elevator is out of service, in keeping with accessibility design principles.

What kind of ESCALATORS will you use for the Ontario line? The ones used on the Toronto subway or the ones used on the Eglinton Crosstown?

We will have different types of escalators at different stations depending on the space and configuration of the station.

Detailed design and planning work is still underway, so we will have more details to share about specific station elements in the future as this work advances.

Now hold on. If Exhibition GO station on Lakeshore West line is gonna connect to the Ontario line above-ground, does it mean 'remove the underpass below the GO tracks?

We do not currently have plans to remove the pedestrian tunnels that run beneath the tracks at Exhibition Station, connecting Liberty Village to the north and Exhibition Place to the south.

Our goal is to add more pedestrian pathways at the station with the new Ontario Line infrastructure, including near-term plans to build a temporary bridge over the rail tracks as part of the Exhibition early works construction activities.

Other than Exhibition, which station will have an underground streetcar connection? King/Bathurst, Queen/Spadina or both?

Please note that the Ontario Line and its stations will not feature an underground streetcar connection.

However, many of the stations will quickly and easily connect with the existing surface transit network, including streetcar routes. Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations will all provide connections to TTC streetcar routes. You can learn more about each station in the West segment and their connections to the existing transit network here.

i. What is the schedule for design, procurement and construction and/or any additional utilities relocation works that are involved in this segment?

ii. When is the earliest date that construction can start and the tunnel work?

iii. When will the construction at Exhibition Station begin? I heard it was to begin imminently back in June.

Early works are planned for Exhibition Station, and work will begin this fall. What we call ‘early works’ are construction activities that need to take place before the more major construction under the larger procurement packages. You can learn more about the early works at Exhibition Station here on our website.

The overall delivery timeline for the Ontario Line will be confirmed through the procurement process by the project company that will be delivering the work. We anticipate that a project company will be selected around mid-2022 and construction will begin around 2023 for the Southern Civil, Stations and Tunnel procurement contract, which includes the portion of the line from Exhibition to the Don River.

Please note that the tunnel work falls under the Southern Civil, Stations and Tunnel procurement contract.

You can find the projected timeline here on our website.

i. Will there be condos on top of the stations? If yes, how high?

ii. Each station along the Ontario Line West is set for development. Infrastructure Ontario is expropriating and using MZOs to sell off development sites in hopes of paying for the Line. This will be precedent setting and destroy all planning and agreements already in place. The well established and historic communities at Spadina & Queen will be destroyed in the process. Unless development is somehow limited by the province, this intersection will soon become another Eglinton & Yonge.

Infrastructure Ontario (IO) is leading a Transit-Oriented Communities program for the Subway Program that focusses on development for some of the sites needed to support the construction and operation of certain Ontario Line stations. Together with the Ministry of Transportation, IO has announced a proposal for a transit-oriented communities developments at Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations. Please visit EngageIO.ca to learn more about these proposals and upcoming engagement opportunities.

Please note that Metrolinx’s focus is on the building an operating the infrastructure needed to for the line, such as the station entrance buildings, tunnels, and tracks.

Where will the tunnel/portal go in the ground at Ex Place? How far down will it go, Garrison Creek is down there?

The portal is located just to the west of Strachan Avenue, on the north side of the corridor and parallel to the tracks. The trains will descend underground by the time they reach Strachan Avenue and will be well underground by the time they reach Garrison Crossing and Ordnance Park. We are well underneath the Garrison Creek, as we will be over 30 metres underground and in the bedrock.

i. Wait a minute. Isn't cut-&-cover tunnels considered as low-cost tunnelling like some cities in Canada?

ii. Will any stations be mined? If so, which ones

Cost is one factor we consider, but we are looking at using a number of techniques to keep our construction footprints slim, property impacts to a minimum, and construction sites safe. We anticipate using a number of techniques to construct the Ontario Line, including cut and cover, tunnel boring and sequential excavation or mining methods based on site conditions. Current plans in this area envision using the sequential excavation method (SEM) to tunnel through this area (what people typically think of as mining).

Techniques will vary based on the safest, most effective approach for the type of ground we’re working in and how much space is available to carry out the work. Any approach we take will be respectful of surrounding community spaces.

You can learn more about construction approaches here on our website.

I don't understand. How will King/Bathurst station be excavated or mined when the station is DIAGONALLY below the intersection?

We are mining the Ontario Line tunnel in the King/Bathurst Station area between openings called ‘keyholes’ where the station buildings will be constructed.

Designing the line to run on a diagonal between Exhibition and Queen Street will give customers a ride that is smoother, more comfortable and faster than if it had more curves and turns. This also reduces wear and tear on tracks and vehicles, which reduces maintenance needs and in turn results in more reliable service.

Tunnelling deep into the bedrock below the surface and reducing the curves in the route also reduces the potential for vibration and noise and allows us to deliver the Ontario Line in a way that provides faster service while minimizing or avoiding impacts to the built environment.

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Sep 1, 2021 - 13:11

is there a planned western extension from Exhibition to Dundas West station on line 2

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:26

Thanks for following up and sorry for any confusion. Please note that general route as it’s been mapped from Exhibition Place through to the Ontario Science Centre is finalized.

As mentioned, while we do not plan to build the line west of Exhibition Station under the current project's scope, we are protecting for the possibility of future extensions by constructing tail tracks at both ends of the line.

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Sep 1, 2021 - 13:17

Is it best that you can add a station at Cherry Street so that the Ontario line can better serve the waterfront, the distillery district and the canary district?

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:30

Thanks for your suggestion. Within a six-minute walk from the Distillery District, the Ontario Line Corktown Station is intended to serve this area, Corktown, St. Lawrence Market and the West Don Lands neighbourhoods, as well as provide relief to the busy 504 King streetcar. By 2041, we project that 26,400 people will be within a comfortable 10-minute walk from Corktown Station, and about 4,100 people will use the station during the peak morning hour.

When looking at the possibility of a station on Cherry Street, one of the important factors we considered was the distance between stations. If we located a station in this area, it would be very close to both Corktown and East Harbour Stations. As a result, the trains may not have enough time or distance to fully accelerate, impacting the overall time savings for travellers.

Please know that we are working closely with the City, TTC and Waterfront Toronto to develop complementary plans for future transit expansion such as the Waterfront East LRT and a streetcar extension down Cherry Street, with the goal of creating the best possible customer experience.

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Each station along the Ontario Line West is set for development. Infrastructure Ontario is expropriating and using MZOs to sell off development sites in hopes of paying for the Line. This will be precedent setting and destroy all planning and agreements already in place. The well established and historic communities at Spadina & Queen will be destroyed in the process. Unless development is somehow limited by the province, this intersection will soon become another Eglinton & Yonge.

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Sep 5, 2021 - 10:18

Will passengers still have to safari across an asphalt desert to and from the Exhibition Station to reach Ontario Place? Will camels be supplied during the hot summer and dog sleds during the winter?

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Anonymous
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:20

At East Harbour, How many GO platforms will it take to connect the Stouffville line and the Lakeshore East line to the Ontario line

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:34

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us onThursday, September 23 for our Ontario Line East segment virtual open house, which will cover East Harbour Station. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/olLIVEsept23.

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Sep 3, 2021 - 21:02

Exhibition Station is too far south to serve Liberty Village well. It also puts the terminus in an uninhabited no-man's land and forces any future extension to go too far south to serve really anybody.

Is the faint hope of Union Station diversion (which only benefits people not from Toronto) really worth the enormous sacrifices to service and expansion Toronto residents must suffer from this decision?

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Sep 5, 2021 - 10:16

Will the transfer connections between the Ontario Line and the streetcars, buses, community buses, and GO Trains be short and easy to use by actual people? Many of the current stations on the Line 1 extension and Eglinton Crosstown LRT have l-o-n-g walks between trains and connecting public transit vehicles. That's would discourage use, especially if people have walking problems (like a broken leg after a skiing accident).

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Sep 6, 2021 - 11:48

I suggest giving all Transit Lines in GTA a single letter, and every station a number. GO lines get a two letter name.
Thus, we get Line Y, Line B, Line S, Line E, Line O, Line F - and Line H in Mississauga.
For GO, we have Line LW, ML, KI, UP, BA, RH, ST, LE.

Without any explanation - everyone is 100% clear which lines are referred to with the letters. Meanwhile, there is no intuitive logic to the Line numbers that were created very recently.

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Sep 7, 2021 - 11:05

The Province's transportation plan makes mention of an "Ontario Line Loop Concept" with no further mention of what it is. It is hard to give feedback on the Ontario Line, knowing that there is a second phase being planned with which the public has no visibility.

What is the Ontario Line Loop concept. How will it impact the current Ontario Line? What are its goals? When can we see what it is? https://files.ontario.ca/mto-towards-greater-golden-horseshoe-transporta...

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Sep 5, 2021 - 00:50

Like Queen and Yonge streets going to close to build the Ontario line stations will we see more closures on Queen like Queen and Spadina for this build as well and will it take 5yrs as well.?

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Please clarify how the future design of Exhibition Station (the full plan on slide 8, not the early works) will support (and not hinder) the TTC's ongoing plan to extend the streetcar line west from Exhibition Loop to connect to Dufferin Gate Loop. That work has been in planning for years but the proposed design shown here provides no indication of how it will align with that plan.

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Sep 3, 2021 - 23:11

will the Ontario line's number come from TTC line 3

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How far down will it go , Garrison Creek is down there?

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Kevin's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 09:12

Instead of the completely anonymous and uninspired unpainted grey subway trains, can you paint the Ontario line trains with the same livery used for TTC buses and streetcars OR, if Metrolinx wants to keep brand it as a Metrolinx asset, give the trains the livery of GO Transit buses and trains.

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Sep 5, 2021 - 12:33

Why follow the Lakeshore west GO tracks and end at Exhibition instead of following the Georgetown GO tracks, with a stop in the heart of Liberty Village where people actually live, work, and shop, and could connect with SmartTrack? What is the future west expansion plan from exhibition station? There is no easy access from Liberty Village to the UP express, even though the train goes right by, only bus access from Liberty to Bloor/ossington, and smart track doesn't go to Dundas west/Bloor GO station either.

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Anonymous
Sep 6, 2021 - 12:20

I had thought that a preferred routing would have continued on Queen and then cut south around Dovercourt to interchange with the Kitchener Line (@ Liberty Station) and with Lakeshore West Line (@ Exhibition).
Since the boat has passed on this, how about having a Gondola transit line to connect some key points missed by the Ontario Line. This would start at Liberty Station, go to Exhibition Station, to Ontario Place Station (at Central Entrance), to Strachen Station (Princes Gates), to YTZ Station (Little Norway Park), to Spadina (on Queens Quay), to Rogers Centre Station (on Bremner), to Union Station (immediately south of Union GO).
This 8 Station, 5 km long transit line could have capacity in the 5000 ppdph range and connect several high demand locations to a number of high capacity lines, such as Kichener GO, Lakeshore West GO and Ontario Line in the West, and Yonge Line plus all GO services at Union Station.

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Since Queen/Spadina and King/Bathurst stations are located in their districts or neighbourhoods, may I suggest that:

- King/Bathurst renamed Fashion District
- and Queen/Spadina renamed Alexandra Park

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Anonymous
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:21

will you also construct DWA's (Designated Waiting Area) inside the stations,
& if you do how many payphones and Passenger Assistance Intercoms will you add to a station platform?

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Anonymous
Sep 7, 2021 - 15:47

Hello. My question relates to the capacity of the Ontario Line.

The line is projected to have a daily ridership of 388,000 people and will be using light metro technology (perhaps similar to TTC Line 3 or the Vancouver Skytrain). However, the Expo Line in Vancouver had a daily ridership of around 290,000 people (pre-COVID) and was overcrowded and operating near capacity. If the Ontario Line is to use light metro technology similar to the Expo Line and have about 98,000 more daily riders, wouldn't the line be at or near capacity? I know the line will be operating at 90 second intervals. However, the Expo Line operates at 108 second intervals and is still overcrowded. Will the 18 seconds make much of a difference in terms of capacity? Also, ridership will almost certainly increase (though new developments near stations, as well as extensions to the line). Therefore, will the line eventually be overcrowded, if not recently after opening? Thank you.

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Sep 1, 2021 - 13:20

besides Exhibition and Science Centre stations, what other stations will have double track crossovers and storage tracks

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Sep 4, 2021 - 00:39

Since you're spending money for building the Ontario line, it's important that you should also focus on integrated fares,
& this video link will tell you why: https://youtu.be/h5IK5lLUniE

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Anonymous's avatar

Really not appreciating that you are avoiding questions that have gained a lot of public interest and are not "softball" questions.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 9, 2021 - 19:29

Answer questions that people are interested in, not ones metrolinx employees posted!!!!

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Sep 1, 2021 - 13:14

if you can't start construction on the Ontario line this year, can you at least build its Maintenance and Storage Facility soon?

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:30

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us next Thursday, September 16 for our Ontario Line North segment virtual open house, which will cover the MSF. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/OLLiveSeptember16.

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Sep 1, 2021 - 13:15

what kind of typeface should the Ontario line use for wayfinding signage?
ClearviewADA or Swiss721?

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Anonymous's avatar

Hold it. If the future Gerrard GO station cannot connect with Gerrard station on the future Ontario line, won't that confuse riders if they're both built ?

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:32

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us onThursday, September 23 for our Ontario Line East segment virtual open house, which will cover Gerrard Station. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/olLIVEsept23.

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Anonymous's avatar

Will the platform at Science Centre Station be below or above line 5? I suggest it should be below line 5, elevated won’t work out

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 10:01

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us next Thursday, September 16 for our Ontario Line North segment virtual open house, which will cover Science Centre Station. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/OLLiveSeptember16.

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Sep 8, 2021 - 12:48

Will there be plans to extend Line 3 Ontario north east to Don Mills Station and North west to Dundas West Station?

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Sep 8, 2021 - 17:58

Will all the stations have indoor and outdoor bicycle parking?

If yes, just say so.
If no, what are the stations that will have an indoor and outdoor bicycle parking

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Anonymous
Sep 8, 2021 - 18:01

Will all the stations have indoor and outdoor retail space?

If yes, just say so.
If no, what are the stations that will have an indoor and outdoor retail space

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Anonymous
Sep 8, 2021 - 18:50

Even though the line will be above ground for some sections of track, will it still have Automatic Train Control (ATC) at those sections

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Sep 8, 2021 - 23:58

once the new line opens, how many elevators will Exhibition station have ?

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Sep 9, 2021 - 19:51

How will the construction of the Line and the station at Queen Spadina affect the operation of the North-South Spadina streetcar? Will the street car be affected and how, and for how long? Will there be an interruption of the Spadina car that requires buses to replace them, and if so, for how long and what is the start date and end date. ?

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Sep 4, 2021 - 20:37

There should be calendar files built into these meeting notices to allow people to add them to their calendar at the push of a button. This doesn't need addressed during the meeting, but would be helpful for future meetings.

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Sep 7, 2021 - 09:22

The Ontario Line should be continued west along The Queensway and then along Dundas Street in Mississauga, connected with a future Waterfront LRT at Exhibition Station and a future High Park Station, and a second separate line should be built between Dundas West Station (with future local service in support of the GO service towards the northwest), along the King Street providing express service in support of the King Streetcar, then east along Kingston Road to meet up with the future Eglinton East LRT extension at Kingston and Eglinton

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Anonymous's avatar

What is the schedule for design, procurement and construction and/or any additional utilities relocation works that are involved in this segment? Thank you.

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AND the tunnel work? Thank you!

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Hello,

Thanks for the opportunity for me to ask my question.

First, I’d love to know how the communities that are surrounding these new future stations would be involved in the renaming process.

Secondly, I would like to know if there are currently proposals for new names or other names other than the ones you’ve recommended already, or if there are people who are as passionate and interested in the name as I am.

Thank you and looking forward to hearing an answer at this meeting.

Regards,

Javon

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 9, 2021 - 19:53

It was supposed to go to 8pm. Why did you finish 10 minutes early and not deal with more questions?

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1) Why do you send out your Ontario Line newsletters every week on a Friday afternoon around 4 pm? Last week you did one at about 420pm on a Friday afternoon of a long weekend. What is your justification for doing so ? That's completely insane.

2) Has Phil Verster and your Metrolinx board been apprised of that as yet?

3) Please supply the facts, the actual on-line readership metrics, comparison with other times, and the communications rationale that supports that?

4) Is Metrolinx governed by Provincial FOI legislation so that one can apply for answers to the above 2 questions? If so, what is the contact info and info on the process to begin that?

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 3, 2021 - 20:43

Unlike the other segments, this page only allows for question submission, not registration.

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:41

Thank you for your question an bringing this to our attention. Please note that the issue with the registration page has now been resolved.

You can also visit this page during tonight's live virtual open house to tune in (the live video stream will be posted directly on this page). After the event, we will also post the recording on this page for viewers to rewatch at their convenience. 

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Sep 5, 2021 - 14:35

Suggested name for the King & Bathurst Station, "Wheatsheaf".

Suggested name for the Queen & Spadina Station, "Fashion".

Suggested name for Queen & Yonge, "City Hall".

Suggested name for Pape & Danforth, "Danforth".

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Sep 8, 2021 - 18:06

what restaurants will you build for retail space?
McDonald's, Tim Hortons, Coffee Time, etc.

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Anonymous
Sep 8, 2021 - 19:17

wait a minute. isn't cut-&-cover tunnels considered as low-cost tunnelling like some cities in Canada

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Anonymous
Sep 8, 2021 - 23:52

Now hold on. If Exhibition GO station on Lakeshore West line is gonna connect to the Ontario line above-ground, does it mean 'remove the underpass below the GO tracks?'

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Anonymous
Sep 9, 2021 - 00:20

i don't understand. how will King/Bathurst station be excavated or mined when the station is DIAGONALLY below the intersection

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Sep 9, 2021 - 00:24

Other than Exhibition, which station will have an underground streetcar connection?
King/Bathurst, Queen/Spadina or both ?

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Anonymous
Sep 3, 2021 - 17:45

What kind of ESCALATORS will you use for the Ontario line?

The ones used on the Toronto subway or the ones used on the Eglinton Crosstown?

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Anonymous
Sep 9, 2021 - 00:13

Will any stations be mined?
If so, which ones

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Anonymous
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:12

How can elevated track connect to an at-grade MSF?

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:29

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us next Thursday, September 16 for our Ontario Line North segment virtual open house, which will cover the MSF. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/OLLiveSeptember16.

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If line 5 could somehow find justification for being placed underground in its western most segment. where there is ample room to build in the right of way for the cancelled Richview Expressway from Mt. Dennis west. Why is the Ontario line being placed above ground in a highly urban and built up area? Why is it not possible to spend the kind of money being wasted on line 5 being put underground where there is absolutely no need for it to be put underground but that same investment cant be made here, where people will actually be effected by this decision. since it will run right through their backyards.

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 10:00

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us onThursday, September 23 for our Ontario Line East segment virtual open house, which will cover Leslieville Station. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/olLIVEsept23.

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Sep 6, 2021 - 14:00

Hello. When will the construction at Exhibition Station begin? I heard it was to begin imminently back in June. Thank you.

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Anonymous
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:15

What kind of elevators will you use for the Ontario line?

The ones used on the Toronto subway or the ones used on the Eglinton Crosstown?

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when can't the construction of the Ontario line start early instead of 2025? having the Yonge North Subway Extension wait after this new subway line to be built will length the patience for Toronto and Markham and Richmond Hill really need transit so soon.

Meaning: I bet the people of Markham and Richmond Hill on Yonge St.are probably losing their patience

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:35

Thanks for your question and feedback. We are approaching the construction of the Ontario Line through various procurement packages, meaning that construction on different parts of the line will begin at different times. This allows us to ensure that the market has the capacity to deliver the project.

Major construction under the Southern Civil, Stations and Tunnel procurement package, which includes the line from Exhibition Station to the Don River, is anticpated to begin in 2023. Under the Northern Civil, Stations and Tunnel package, which covers the rest of the line, construction is anticipated to begin in 2024.

We are also undertaking early works activities in certain areas where construction can proceed sooner. For example, early works construction at Exhibition Station will begin this fall in 2021. You can learn more about the different early works packages under the environment section on our website.

You can also find the project timeline on our website. Please note that timelines are subject to change.

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