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Ontario Line LIVE Downtown – October 7, 2021

Archive - October 7, 2021

On October 7, 2021, Metrolinx hosted a presentation and live Q&A focused on the Downtown segment with over 150 people in attendance. The presentation focused on timely updates for Queen, Moss Park and Corktown Stations. While this presentation did not feature an update on Osgoode Station, the panel welcomed and responded to questions about all four stations within the segment.

During the virtual open house, we answered top-voted questions submitted by registrants, as well as live questions from participants using a call-in option. Participants asked a variety of questions related to the project plans and timeline, construction methods, community engagements, station design, and more. We’ll be posting responses to questions here as soon as possible.

For those who weren’t able to join us, you’ll find the video recording below. We’re looking forward to holding many more meetings in the future.

Agenda

6:30PM: Meeting Begins/Opening Remark

6:35PM: Presentation: Ontario Line Project Update for Osgoode, Queen, Moss Park, and Corktown Stations

7:00PM : Questions and Answers (pre-submitted questions)

7:30PM: Questions and Answers (call-in questions via Zoom)

7:55PM: Wrap up and Closing Remarks

Meet the Speakers

Photo of Richard Tucker

Richard Tucker

Ontario Line Project Director

Photo of Malcolm MacKay

Malcolm MacKay

Ontario Line Project Sponsor

Aaron Scott

Aaron Scott

Ontario Line Technical Advisor

Franca Di Giovanni

Franca Di Giovanni

Director of Community Engagement, Subways

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Anonymous's avatar
Oct 4, 2021 - 09:27

I'm extremely concerned about the height of proposed residential buildings around the future Corktown station. The proposal is for enormous 46 floors tall towers when the buildings in our neighborhood are at most 17-20 storeys. New properties of this scale will absolutely dwarf all existing structures, will deprive the existing residential buildings around the North construction side of the natural sunlight (e.g. 318 King East, 393 King East etc.) and will forever change the character of our historical neighborhood.

It is also very doubtful the exiting infrastructure - electrical, water and sewage (including 100+ year old sewer) will be able to accommodate almost 3,000 new residents in the area. I feel that there's been very little consideration about the impact of such a density on existing residents, our questions and concerns are largely dismissed.

Why can't we spread the new residential developments more evenly along the Ontario line and build properly sized buildings as per the existing Corktown height restrictions (30m max)? I'm extremely concerned about the height of proposed residential buildings around the future Corktown station. The proposal is for enormous 46 floors tall towers when the buildings in our neighborhood are at most 17-20 storeys. New properties of this scale will absolutely dwarf all existing structures, will deprive the existing residential buildings around the North construction side of the natural sunlight (e.g. 318 King East, 393 King East etc) and will forever change the character of our historical neighborhood.

It is also very doubtful the exiting infrastructure - electrical, water and sewage (including 100+ year old sewer) will be able to accommodate almost 3,000 new residents in the area. I feel that there's been very little consideration about the impact of such a density on existing residents, our questions and concerns are largely dismissed.

Why can't we spread the new residential developments more evenly along the Ontario line and build properly sized buildings as per the existing Corktown height restrictions (30m max)?

Anonymous's avatar

At the Sept. 30 meeting Stan Cho, minister of transport mentioned the project would celebrate the history of the area and it would be done thoughtfully to capture the character of this community. Corktown was originally established to be only 8 storeys high. Now, height restriction is limited to be at most 30m high, yet this project is planning two 46-storey skyscrapers that will tower over the area: block light, sun, privacy of existing neighbours, and increase light pollution. Current infrastructure is over 100 years old. The influx of thousands of new residents will overwhelm the system that is already at capacity. The towers are slated to accommodate 2,700 residents: that does not account for owners who airb&b their units (often used as party units), multi-family units, visitors. Since there will be no affordable/social housing in the towers and 40% of them will be 2-3 bedroom, only wealthier people will be able to afford to them. How many of them will actually be taking the Ontario Line?? Sidewalks are already overcrowded: we have to walk on the road to pass 2-3 people, let alone strollers, dogs... And those in wheelchairs or dependent on walkers already find it extremely difficult. Will sidewalks be greatly widened?
Not everyone can/want to travel by TTC: the disabled, elderly, families with a few little kids & grandparents, people who commute in/out of the city for work, residents to travel to visit out of town friends and family, tourists who visit the city, those coming into the city to shop, including many that do major food pickups at the St. Lawrence Market. If you need a service call: appliance repair, painter, plumber, furniture delivery..., good luck finding parking for them! Yet parking is becoming scarcer and scarcer: the south Green P parking lot on Parliament is already gone -- even though it just got repainted -- yet the site won't be worked on immediately.
Will the construction take years, as is the never-ending Eglinton LRT with disruptive noise, mess? Will construction be limited to regular hours -- not beyond 6 or 7 p.m.?
The Canary District is an excellent example of smart density: mid-rise building with very wide sidewalks and parkland. Why can't further construction in Corktown be limited to mid-rise buildings that would respect the heritage aspect of the area and perfectly accommodate a moderate amount of new residents without overwhelming it??

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 23:21

One of the big concerns is train capacity. Can a wider train, such as the Canada line, be used to ensure maximum capacity? Transit capacity depend on train size, and also dwell time to load/unload passengers. To this end, has the Spanish solution been considered for the major interchange stations (i.e. Pape, Yonge, and maybe Osgoode and East Harbour). Here, there would be 3 platforms, a side platform for each direction where passengers board and a centre platform where they disembark. Another option would be provisions for a longer station at the interchange stations. This way, a 120 metre train would have a 100m platform at most stations - with passengers knowing that the first car does not open doors north of Bloor, and the last car does not open doors south of Bloor, but at the interchanges, all car doors open. Either of these 2 ideas, or both, reduces the dwell time at the key interchange stations where it matters most.

Anonymous's avatar

A significant area of Moss Park is being sacrificed for the Subway Station there - What is being done to replace this parkland and other park and public space being lost to this project

With public space at a premium in the city, especially with at least a couple dozen new high-density developments proposed with two blocks of Moss Park (we need a lot more public space, not less), what is being done to replace this lost park area as well as other slivers and bits and pieces of public space being sacrificed elsewhere for this project

My suggestion is to expropriate the land designated for one of those new high-density developments and create a new decent sized park in the area

Anonymous's avatar

In the previous session, a questioner asked about a second entrance or exit at Moss Park station. The answer seemed puzzling, saying that the station would have 2 separate exit paths but presumably only one entrance structure. Could you explain this better? Is the plan to have a separate exit-only structure similar to that at Pape station?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 30, 2021 - 13:39

I live near one of the planned stations and want to know what the proposed days of the week and hours of operation for construction, particularly at street level and/or that will cause noise/vibration, will be. There are thousands of condo residents in this area, and our lives are going to be significantly affected by this construction.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 8, 2021 - 18:03

Many of the newer stations elsewhere in town have ugly exposed concrete walls and cheaply done floors, stairs, walls, ceilings scattered through them -- the interiors are cold and ugly and a terrible image to tourists. Can we be assured here that major downtown interchanges and stops near tourist zones will have lovely, well-designed, and colourful interiors, without the boring ugly gray exposed bare concrete/pipes/etc? Think more like the Elizabeth Line in London and less like the Vaughan extension or Ottawa downtown stations, please.

Anonymous's avatar

Moss Park business owners on Queen Street haven't heard anything from Metrolinx and yet they are going to disrupt the street, neighbourhood and traffic. What guarantees can be given to business owners that they will not be impacted like those business with the Eglinton Crosstown fiasco?

Anonymous's avatar

from the presentation on Sept 27, the artist's sketch of the proposed above ground site (at King & Parliament) in no way respects the heritage and historic significance of the site. It is disproportionate to the neighbourhood in both size and architecture. Can there not be consideration for this subway station (Corktown) to be constructed in line with the character of the Distillery District and 51 Division (Police Station at Parliament /Front)? The Globe and Mail building is an eye sore and using it as an example is worrisome. I don't believe the community has any desire for more glass and less sky.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 01:01

With the closure of Queen and Yonge for 5 years for the subway construction, will there be more closures on Queen at Sherborne, University and Spadina as well?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 4, 2021 - 11:56

In order to expand Osgoode station for the Ontario Line, Metrolinx proposes chopping down a grove of trees at the south-west corner of the Osgoode Hall grounds. Instead of chopping down the trees, why not dig the excavation shaft in the northbound lanes of University Avenue. The City has a proposal to convert the northbound lanes of University Avenue into a pedestrian promenade.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-rebirth-of-the-pr...

Anonymous's avatar

Have you considered adding design elements and public art which will reflect this (and adjacent) neighbourhoods which are named after Irish cultural touchstones, or the counties of Ireland due to the waves of Famine migrants, and further, the complex history of Catholicism which that brought in to Upper Canada and impacted many of us in many different ways?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 7, 2021 - 19:12

Why can't a second entrance be placed on the north east or south west corner of Queen and Sherbourne? This would be easy for Metrolinx's powers of expropriation and it would really help the immediate neighbourhood!

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 30, 2021 - 12:01

Once the Ontario line is running, what will be the impact to the existing Queen streetcar routes, particularly along the stretch where they would overlap?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 6, 2021 - 20:16

The Eglinton crosstown was beset with delays (and not just COVID), and residents have been living next to a hole in the ground for years instead of in a vibrant neighbourhood. When we give up our space and livelihood for such projects, it's devastating to be told that the project will be delayed for another 2-3 years while agencies sit and fight with each other. How will this project be better run so that we don't destroy the vibrancy of neighbourhoods and create an unlivable space for residents for the next decade.

Anonymous's avatar

These are the trees on the south side of Moss Park.
Why can't some accommodation be made so that they are not removed? In other parts of the City, where development has taken place, the trees were protected. Example: ( University of Toronto Campus).

Anonymous's avatar

I see 2041 listed but is that the target date or latest possible opening date?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Oct 7, 2021 - 19:18

did you finalize which trains you'll use for this line?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 16, 2021 - 19:34

Not including a station at Cherry St. be a big problem. how?

I doubt that Corktown will be able to serve all districts and waterfront, especially the Portlands, since it's not near King St. or Corktown station.

This is another reason why Cherry St. station should be built

Anonymous's avatar

Ontario and Queen has over 2 acres of land to be condos. Can Metrolinx use that land and work with the developer to have the station entrance there and reduce the impact on Moss Park? The station does not have to be directly under the property, but it can be aligned for the Distillery stop, just have short tunnels like Spadina does!

Furry Rider's avatar
Sep 12, 2021 - 03:57

Doesn't it show a lack of foresight not to build a station to connect with a future Waterfront LRT at Cherry Street?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 30, 2021 - 18:05

The Ontario Line runs directly underneath the entire River City property, which was built on top of the Don River flood zone and was previously swamped. In particular, River City 3 is the tallest building of the bundle. This piece of land sounds rather fragile and non-stable to begin with. Won't the running of the Ontario Line further compromise it's stability as well as the architectural integrity of River City 3, especially because the building was not designed to accommodate a subway line running underneath. This may potential increase owner insurance among other things. How have these issues been taken into consideration and what are the conclusions?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 7, 2021 - 18:23

Will Moss Park residents living in TCHC be engaged on this project proposal and impacts to the surrounding neighbourhood including the park? There should be a specific Moss Park consultation to ensure voices are heard - especially for those who dont have the time or capacity to attend this evening's event. I live in the area and have not seen 1 promotion of this event

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 4, 2021 - 01:06

Is it best that the Ontario line will open in different phases, like the Montreal REM

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 7, 2021 - 17:27

Why not include a Cherry Street Station? - Wouldn't it make sense to include a Cherry Street Station as a connection to a future Waterfront LRT?

Anonymous's avatar

I own a business shop front at 245 Queen Street West and would like to know if there would be any disruption to the walk-by and drive-by traffic. I would also like to know if this is a plan or actually confirmed that it will take place.

Anonymous's avatar

honour the long neglected and overlooked first parliament site.

Anonymous's avatar

The route in the diagram appears to go right through the Distillery. It seems to go right through the building where I live, 70 Distillery Lane. Where does it actually go in this area.

Anonymous's avatar

When are the property owners going to get compensated for the line going under their property some properties have better uses like high rise buildings this line is going to limit their development and waste the property the line is going under my property nobody has addressed it yet

Anonymous's avatar

Why can't Metrolinx build a station on the north east or south west corner of Queen and Sherbourne and build some medium rise towers with affordable housing on top? Is Metrolinx just taking the easy way out with cut and cover in Moss Park and not leaving anything but a station for the neighbourhood after 4-6 years? You have a chance to make a difference with private sector or City collaboration.

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Sep 4, 2021 - 00:52

will all the stations have ESCALATORS

Anonymous's avatar

And visitors to Distillery District. East Harbour is pretty close to both if you have a bridge for walking over the river there wouldn't need a stop at Cherry Street could walk right in to East Harbour station

Anonymous's avatar

Why is there a need to take Moss Park away from the neighbourhood by occupying more than 2/3 of the park? Are you using parkland for staging and storage for Osgood and First Parliament? Why are you killing all of the beautiful mature trees on the south side of the park? Can you tunnel under the park leaving it undisturbed and place the station at the end of the tunnel, perhaps on the north east corner of Sherbourne and Queen or even partner with private developers and create a great concourse at the One Properties site? Let the residents have their park and don't take the easy way out!

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Oct 7, 2021 - 19:34

What's the impact on the surface for works starting in the Winter 2022?
Will the community be notified?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Sep 3, 2021 - 17:58

along with Osgoode, I think Corktown station should not only have a center island platform but also platform screen doors like th' Montreal REM

Anonymous's avatar

Wondering why there is still no sign that the auto dealership at King-Parliament-Front, beside the Staples location that is closing to become the TBM launch site and eventual Corktown station, will be moving soon? They even just repaved their parking lot!

It seems ridiculous that Metrolinx acted so rapidly to expropriate the city-owned property south of Front when it's still not clear that you're moving as urgently about the actual block where all of the earliest work will happen. When will you be clearing the entire KingEast-Parliament-Front-Berkeley block?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Sep 28, 2021 - 15:11

I LOVE the idea of the subway station here to connect the rest of the city, accessibility for transportation and increasing foot traffic. I am 10000% all for it but will dread the comstruction

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 30, 2021 - 10:11

I am one of the ministers at Metropolitan United Church at 56 Queen St East. We are embarking on a project to revitalize the grounds around the church and we are conscious that the Ontario Line will run right underneath our park. If there is anything we need to know in terms of disruption or access, we would be grateful if someone from Metrolinx will get in touch with us https://www.metunited.org. Many thanks.

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 7, 2021 - 18:26

Will Metrolinx be including a Community Benefits Agreement as part of this project. Many Neighbourhood Improvement Areas are along the line and the jobs created should go to vulnerable youth and local community members who will be severly impacted by the Ontario Line. I recently read this recently online and think this is a great initiative https://www.toronto.com/opinion-story/10484018-eglinton-crosstown-projec...

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 12:27

Currently, if an elevator is out-of-service, the whole station could be inaccessible. Will dual or two elevators be available, so that is one is out-of-service, the other could still be used?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 28, 2021 - 15:19

The idea of the moss park subway station sounds great. I hope this proposition goes through and as some of the others have mentioned it would be great to have 2 entrances / exits with an elevator for accessibility.

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Sep 3, 2021 - 16:16

Will you install a lower concourse below the TTC Osgoode station of line 1

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Sep 3, 2021 - 16:29

will you utilize Queen station's underpass as a lower concourse for the Ontario line

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 4, 2021 - 00:03

along with Exhibition station, what other stations will have underground streetcar loops?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 2, 2021 - 13:29

I wanted to learn more about access to Moss Park Station. In one of the earlier concept drawings, I noted that there was only one station entrance building, on the northwest corner of Queen and Sherbourne, with the entrance doors leading only towards Sherbourne. As I live just a few hundred metres to the northwest, I would like to see a more convenient entrance towards Jarvis Street, which would improve access to the station building for thousands of potential riders.

Secondly, our neighbourhood has little great park space, and that the city's plans for the park revitalization have been delayed further because of the construction now planned for the station. How can the station be integrated with a new community centre, and are you working with the city to ensure the park is made better than it is now?

Anonymous's avatar
Oct 7, 2021 - 11:06

How will you support the vulnerable population who use and live in moss park during your project? How will you ensure noise/dust/dirt are kept to a minimum?

Why are you not building affordable housing on top of your station? Such a great opportunity to do so.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 4, 2021 - 00:50

Since there's a lot of room in the tunnel between the portal and Corktown station, is it okay that you add a new station at Cherry St. so that the Ontario line can better serve the waterfront, the distillery district and the canary district ?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Oct 7, 2021 - 22:47

In what month of 2022 will construction start?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 4, 2021 - 13:26

if you do build a new station at Cherry St, can you redirect the Cherry streetcar off-street or underground to service a new streetcar loop ?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 7, 2021 - 17:33

Why not include a Cherry Street Station? - Wouldn't it make sense to include a Cherry Street Station as a connection to a future Waterfront LRT?

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Sep 3, 2021 - 17:52

Is it best that you can construct Moss Park station's concourse like the concourse in TTC Chester station secondary entrance

W. K. Lis's avatar
Sep 10, 2021 - 15:07

Will the staircases include bicycle runnels, and wheelchair & walker runnels? A bicycle runnel are usually a grooved guide next to a stairway so people can go up and down without having to lift and carry their bikes. You just guide your bike wheels into the groove and push it up or squeezed the brakes and walk it down. For wheelchair and walker runnels, they are usually ramps on the stairwell, so a third party can push the wheelchair (even baby strollers) up or down, whenever there are NO elevator or escalator available in service for some reason (like a power failure).

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c1/b9/78/c1b978654b7335aa16f5729e2cd0ed1b.jpg

Anonymous's avatar

Anonymous
Oct 7, 2021 - 17:19

What are you doing to address the need for Moss Park to serve as a park for our very diverse neighbourhood? How can locals use the park?
What are you doing to address the noise and construction issues?
And, how can the arena and John Innes Community Centre function during this construction period?
We have observed for years how the subway construction at Eglinton and Bayview has impacted the community for at least 3 years. That intersection is a logistical nightmare.
Moss Park has always been an easy target, and that is a shame. We need to keep it as a park.

Anonymous's avatar

The revitalization of Nathan Phillips Square has taken years and cost millions. What will be the impact on this Square?