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Anonymous
Dec 4, 2020 - 13:45

What is the estimated travel time between Pape Station and Queen Station?

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Metrolinx
Dec 8, 2020 - 15:04

Currently, the estimated travel time from Pape Station to Queen Station is 18 minutes. Once the Ontario Line is operational, you will get there five minutes faster.

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Anonymous
Dec 9, 2020 - 21:16

So you are telling me the Ontario line takes 12 minutes from Pape station to Osgoode Station but it takes 13 minutes from Pape station to Queen station?

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Anonymous
Dec 9, 2020 - 21:27

That dosen't make sense?
Doesn't Queen station come before Osgoode station on the Ontario Line?

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Metrolinx
Dec 17, 2020 - 12:17

The travel time estimates are being refined as project planning progresses and we collect more data. The Preliminary Design Business Case projects 13 minute trip between Pape and Queen stations on the Ontario Line. With trains arriving every 90 seconds and automated doors on both the platforms and trains, the Ontario Line will get people where they need to be faster and easier than ever before.

Daniel's avatar
Dec 9, 2020 - 22:31

Hi!
I know that Metrolinx is saving on costs by building an elevated guideway along Don Mills all the way to the Science Centre station. There will be a lot of high-density development here (with a large population facing Don Mills) and this would be detrimental to my quality of life - since I already own a condo on Eglinton/Don Mills. I've spoken to some other residents of from my building, and we are very concerned that this will worsen the quality of life and property values. I also realized that this doesn't achieve the city planning policies of the Don Mills Crossing Secondary Plan, which calls for a very different vision for the corridor. This proposed alignment will worsen the pedestrian experience at street level and will make the area less attractive. Also, the proposed Science Centre station for the OL won't even connect with the existing station that was built to accommodate a seamless underground connection. I know an underground alignment for Don Mills would cost more money, but could you please forward this to the project team for their consideration? Could Metrolinx please consider our needs and build the OL underground on Don Mills? I know this will cost more, but this will be a very high-density area (unlike Leslieville) and the least you could do is lower the OL around the Don Mills/Eglinton intersection.

Thanks for considering my comments!

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Metrolinx
Dec 17, 2020 - 11:51

Elevated guideways and stations will be designed with your community in mind, using modern design approaches that will be attractive additions to the neighbourhoods they serve. The stations in this area will also make it faster and easier to transfer between the Ontario Line to other connecting transit options.

Because of the Ontario Line’s mix of below ground, at-grade and elevated track, it is able to reach more communities sooner. At twice the length of the previously proposed Downtown Relief Line South, the Ontario Line will give residents of Thorncliffe Park, Flemingdon Park and Liberty Village access to higher order transit, and be built within a similar timeframe.

Using a mix of surface tracks, elevated structures and tunnels is a proven approach. The TTC has taken this approach with Line 1, Line 2 and Line 3, and many other transit systems have adopted it to deliver superior rapid transit within impressive timeframes. For example, the majority of stations and tracks for world-class transit services like Vancouver’s SkyTrain network and London, England’s Docklands Light Railway system are above ground. Since those systems began in the 80s, the SkyTrain has become the longest rapid transit system in Canada and the Docklands Light Railway system has grown to nearly 40 kilometres worth of track.

There are many benefits to building the alignment above ground, including fewer construction and property impacts, shorter construction timeframes, and a better customer experience. To clarify, the Eglinton Crosstown’s Science Centre station is not a true underground station; it is a “hybrid” located just below the surface of the street in order to avoid traffic impacts at the intersection of Don Mills & Eglinton. Based on our analysis of the geology of this area, the Ontario Line would be required to tunnel much deeper in order to build underground in this segment. Stations here would need to be the deepest in Toronto’s transit network, over nine storeys underground, making for much longer connection times to buses at street level.

In 2021, we will begin to share design renderings for community feedback, including images of the elevated guideway, which will make use of modern construction techniques that allow for quieter, thinner, more attractive designs and the latest technology to minimize noise and disruption.

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Anonymous
Dec 15, 2020 - 22:21

Hi. When is the Preliminary Design Business Case coming out?

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Metrolinx
Dec 17, 2020 - 12:22

The Preliminary Design Business case was released today. You can read more by clicking here.

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 16, 2020 - 01:30

The station at Queen and Spadina should be called “Chinatown” to reflect the cultural diversity of this part of Toronto. The community is also under increasing pressure from gentrification, and risks erasure. There is a station on the Vancouver SkyTrain called “Chinatown”, and Metrolinx should replicate this with a “Chinatown” station at Queen and Spadina to help cement this community on the map.

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Metrolinx
Dec 17, 2020 - 11:57

We appreciate your feedback and will share it with our project team. The current names of stations are working names and there will be a community engagement process to select the final names for the Ontario Line stations. Given Toronto’s rich history and diversity, we are looking forward to lots of creative suggestions.

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Anonymous
Dec 16, 2020 - 13:48

I heard you had a google meet for the Ontario Line? That's a good idea to meet with residents one-on-one to share your concerns. Any other ones? I'd like to attend.

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Metrolinx
Dec 17, 2020 - 11:59

We’ve been engaging lots of different ways while public health measures have prevented us from meeting together in person. We’re happy to setup a voice or video call with you.  As the project goes forward, there will be more online engagement opportunities to talk about the Ontario Line. Please email [email protected] or call 416-202-5100 if you would like to schedule a time to chat with one of us. We also encourage folks to sign up for our e-newsletter to receive updates.

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Dec 17, 2020 - 13:59

Hi! I just read the Preliminary Design Business Case, and I'm concerned about the length and maximum speed of the train.

According to the document, platforms are planned to be 100m in length. In that case, why not invest a little more to have 100m (instead 80m) trains? This would result in more capacity and would definitely help relieve Bloor-Yonge station of its overcrowded state (one of the primary objectives of this project). If we're spending billions of dollars on the most important new subway line in our city, then use the investment to create the best possible value!

Also, the document says that the maximum speed of the train model is expected to be 80 km/h. Considering the many straight sections of the line, why can't the max speed be increased to 100 km/h? Many systems around the world (including Vancouver's Skytrain) operate at 100 km/h whenever possible. In order to get more people of their cars, the trains should go as fast as they possibly could (when the line's geometry allows it to do so). Could Metrolinx please require the rolling stock provider to deliver trains with a higher max speed?

Thank you! Let's make the most of this project!

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Metrolinx
Dec 23, 2020 - 09:52

The Preliminary Design Business Case anticipates that 80-meter trains at 40 trains per hour can sustain ridership demands until approximately 2060. At its current design, the Ontario Line will have the capacity to run up to 40 trains per hour, every 90 seconds, which will provide much-needed transit relief and reduce station crowding. For instance, we estimate that Bloor-Yonge Station will see a 22% reduction, or 14,000 fewer people, during rush hour. Using shorter trains now will allow us to operate faster, with shorter wait times between trains, and will offer better service while meeting demand. In the future, as ridership demand increases, the longer station platforms (100m) will allow us to accommodate more passengers with the potential for longer trains.

While the top speed of the train is 80 km/hour, given stops at stations and turns in the track, we estimate the average speed will be 30 km/hour. The Ontario Line alignment includes several tight curves and steep slopes and relatively short distances between stations. In most cases, the train will not reach the top speed before it is necessary to start slowing down again. However, a high tractive capability that supports rapid acceleration on steep grades will mean that customers will still experience a smooth and quick journey.

On the Ontario Line, a trip from Exhibition Place to the Science Centre will save customers 40 minutes, and a trip from Thorncliffe Park to downtown (King and Bay) will be 15 minutes shorter.

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Dec 17, 2020 - 16:06

Hi again! I left a comment under the name "Northern Alignment" and received a reply from you. I understand that it's inconvenient that tunneling Science Centre station would require a depth of over 9 stories, and I fully understand the benefits of elevated transit. However, I was wondering if you could take a different approach. Could the engineers build an OL platform directly beneath the Eglinton Line's platform? Couldn't you emulate the Bloor-Yonge type of station or the ones that exist in New York (where platforms are directly underneath the road and interchange station platforms are stacked on top of each other)? The problem is that the current elevated plan that crosses the street is just terrible from an urban design perspective, especially for a high-density neighbourhood that should avoid excessive noise and is meant to have attractive streets. While the current plan's station connects better to the bus terminal, it makes for an inconvenient transfer to the Eglinton Line. A short, direct transfer to other rapid transit lines (as is usually provided in subway stations) is important reduce travel times and attract more users. A convenient transfer to rapid transit is more important than one for buses. Again, I was wondering if you could minimize costs by building a platform directly underneath the Eglinton Line platform (similar to old TTC stations and New York's subway). This would be much better for the community.

If the team still decides to build an elevated line here, it should be done thoughtfully in order to create a good community. The design should be of the highest quality with great emphasis on the experience of pedestrians. It should IMPROVE the area - not just mitigate negative effects. With thoughtful design, the elevated tracks can be a welcoming and attractive feature in the neighbourhood, with a focus on placemaking and walkability. I understand that modern techniques for building the structure will result in less bulkiness, but I think Metrolinx can do even better than that. Instead of just building bare concrete, the structure could use colour, plants, nicer materials, art, and other things that would make it integrate and be a positive contribution to the street. Again, when designing this, picture yourself walking along the street and think of ways to make the structure attractive and not ugly (not just concrete). Please create a design that would make people want to take the train and would enhance the community.

Thank you for considering my comments. I would really appreciate it if they were forwarded to the team.

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Metrolinx
Dec 21, 2020 - 15:13

Thanks for sharing your further thoughts which have been passed along to our design and technical team. We look forward to continuing the conversation with the public as plans for the Ontario Line continue to advance. Community feedback is helping us improve the project and we agree that it’s important to get it right the first time, balancing a range of considerations and factors.

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Anonymous
Dec 18, 2020 - 23:29

Quietly, the timelines for this project have changed as the Ontario Line is expected to be delivered in 2030. Can you go into detail as to why that is the case? I also noticed the contracts won't be awarded until 2022; is there not a way to expedite this stage of the process? I bring this up as I have always been so curious to know why it takes a decade to build one transit line in this city when other parts of the world can build underground subways projects in half the time. For example how does the 3 stop Scarborough Subway Extension have the same timeline as the Ontario Line? If anything, that should be an "easier" build as it is only 3 stops. Anyways, just something I have always thought about and hope you can answer.

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Metrolinx
Dec 21, 2020 - 14:37

The Ontario Line is a combination of below ground, at-grade, and elevated track. One of the benefits of using different kinds of track is that the Ontario Line can be built quicker.

When the project was originally announced, the Province communicated that the Ontario Line could be open as early as 2027. The 2027 timeline was based on delivering the Ontario Line as a single, integrated P3 (public-private-partnership) project. In the latter part of 2019, as we worked to prepare the project for procurement, changing market conditions began to emerge prompting a shift in market interest away from an integrated approach. As COVID-19 took hold, the effects of the pandemic began to be felt on subway program activities underway, with requests for extensions on open procurements. This was on top of an observed shift in market capacity and the construction industry’s appetite for risk.

Our strategy to deliver the Ontario Line as three separate P3 contracts on a staggered schedule will help to mitigate market issues – including impacts from COVID 19. Ultimately, the final construction schedule will be developed by the consortiums who bid on the project.

 

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 24, 2020 - 22:57

The line should be extended to Sheppard as soon as possible.

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Metrolinx
Dec 29, 2020 - 16:03

With its 15 stations and connections to many other transit services, the Ontario Line will put more fast, frequent and reliable rapid transit in easy reach -- more than 255,000 people will live within a 10-minute walk of an Ontario Line station. The proposed Ontario Line route was selected with a view to making the best use of available funding to increase access to transit, maximize ridership, achieve travel time savings, reduce overcrowding on existing transit services and create better access to jobs. While an extension to Shepperd isn’t part of the current plans for the Ontario Line, tail tracks north of Science Centre station will protect for future expansion.

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 28, 2020 - 11:25

Will the Eglinton, Flemingdon, and Thorncliffe stations be open air or fully enclosed? It can get quite windy here between tall buildings and being on top of the valley, so we'd want to stay toasty warm waiting for the train in the winter!

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Metrolinx
Dec 29, 2020 - 16:02

There will be covered and enclosed areas within the station where customers can wait but with trains arriving approximately every 90 seconds you won’t wait long. We’ll be sharing more information about the station designs as procurement advances.

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I was wondering if there will continue to be regular, frequent bus service along Overlea between the two stations because it is quite a distance to get to either one if you live half way between the two.

Thanks.

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Metrolinx
Dec 31, 2020 - 12:51

Metrolinx has been and remains committed to continue working with the TTC to ensure the Ontario Line provides excellent transit connectivity.  Determining bus routes (including stops and frequency) is done by the TTC.  They will communicate any changes to existing bus routes closer to the Ontario Line opening date.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 5, 2021 - 23:06

Hi there,

The following is written on the project website "Construction for the project is anticipated in 2021, when teams break ground on early works for the project. This work will include existing bridge modifications and new Ontario Line bridges, rail corridor expansion, station work, and utility relocations for parts of the line that are shared by the GO rail corridor."

I just want to know if this construction is still slated to start this spring and if you can elaborate on the following points:
- Bridge Modifications: Which bridges will be worked on?
- New Ontario Line Bridges: Will this include the new bridges being built across the Don River near the Lakeshore and by the Leaside Bridge?
- Rail Corridor Expansion: Will this be happening at Exhibition Station and on the rail corridor in Leslieville?
- Station work: Which ones?

I ask as I really want this project to hit the ground running and want no more interference from our politicians. Starting this construction would be huge step in the right direction.

Thanks,

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Metrolinx
Jan 6, 2021 - 15:11

Early works construction will occur in areas where the Ontario Line runs with GO rail lines in the same rail corridor. By coordinating Ontario Line construction and previously planned GO Expansion work, we will reduce the overall property and construction impacts, while ensuring timely construction.

As you noted on our website, early works are anticipated in three areas: Exhibition Station, the Lower Don Bridges, and the Lakeshore East Joint Corridor. As initial designs are completed for each area, we will release an early works environmental report for public consultation. The draft report will provide further details about the work, anticipated impacts and proposed mitigations. Consultation on the draft Exhibition Station Early Works Report ended on January 5 but you can still review the report. We’ll release further information about other planned early works later this winter/spring.

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What is the estimated travel time between Pape Station and Queen Station with the Ontario line?

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Metrolinx
Jan 8, 2021 - 15:14

We estimate that the travel time from Pape to Queen Station will be approximately 13 minutes. Travel times between stations will be refined as project planning advances. 

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I'm concerned for vibrations and noise once built. How deep will it be and can you show rendering for Berkeley St. and how it will be affected?

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Metrolinx
Jan 11, 2021 - 16:02

While we are currently studying geotechnical soil conditions and have not yet determined the specific final depth for the alignment, we anticipate that the depth of tunnel in this location will be at least 20 metres underground which will minimize noise and vibration impacts during operation. The current route puts the Ontario Line east of Berkeley Street, which reduces property impacts and speeds up construction. We will have more details to share over the next few months and in the forthcoming Environmental Impact Assessment Report.

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Anonymous
Jan 12, 2021 - 11:10

Will the trains be modern and connected like line 1 so we can walk from one end to the other, or old fashioned like line 2 where we are stuck in one car?

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Metrolinx
Jan 14, 2021 - 12:03

While the Preliminary Business Design Case notes that the trains may have open pathways to allow passengers to travel between cars, exact train design details will be determined by the successful proponent of the Rolling Stock, Systems, Operations and Maintenance procurement contract.

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Anonymous
Jan 13, 2021 - 11:43

The recent updates provided no further details on the MSF location/layout. When will something be provided for the public to view. ?

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Metrolinx
Jan 14, 2021 - 12:04

We anticipate that additional MSF information will be available in the first few months of 2021. When we have an update ready to share, notice will be provided through elected officials, community groups and our e-newsletter.

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Anonymous
Jan 17, 2021 - 15:30

Are we going with 80m trains now? Wouldnt that reduce capacity? We need all the capacity we got in order to relieve Line 1 and 2. The old Relief Line plan did that best.

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Metrolinx
Jan 19, 2021 - 10:16

The plan outlined in the Preliminary Design Business Case is for the Ontario Line to have 80-metre trains, combined with frequent service to meet current and future demand. Using shorter, and lighter trains means more frequent service, less waiting for the train, and an overall better customer experience. With trains as frequent as every 90 seconds, up to 40 trains per hour, the Ontario Line will meet ridership volumes up until about 2060. As a result, the Ontario Line will reduce crowding, we estimate by 13% at Union Station, for example.

In addition, station platforms will be built to accommodate 100 metre trains, providing the possibility to scale up and meet even greater ridership demands in the future.

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There were several issues shared last year by many regarding the North Segment of the Ontario Line, specifically the crossover after the Leaside Bridge into the "Thorncliffe" portion which is troublesome.

In fact, these concerns and offers of alternatives were shared with the Metrolinx team, city councillors and the MPP at a virtual meeting held on October 19, 2020. The Metrolinx team promised to follow up on the many issues and alternate suggestions proposed....was this done? Will there be any changes to the current alignment of the track in the Thorncliffe area to avoid Overlea Blvd. completely?

As one of 142 residents living on Overlea Blvd at 1 Leaside Park Drive. I am voicing the concerns that several thousands of my neighbours share (both in my building and in the numerous residential areas, and businesses that front Overlea Blvd.).

The current alignment brings this major railway even closer to a seven story residential condominium (just meters from 1 Leaside Park Drive) and has the crossover happen on the South East corner of Overlea Boulevard, and Millwood Road (see Marker#1 on your current visual).

This crossing is troublesome for many reasons including....

KEY ISSUES WITH CURRENT ALIGNMENT:

1. HEALTH + SAFETY: The crossover is currently on the corner and boulevard where there are several residential properties (especially 1 Leaside Park Drive). In fact, the current route continues to negatively impact a seven story condominium, a town house complex, other condominiums near Overlea and Thorncliffe Park, a senior's home, several businesses on both sides of Overlea Blvd. In addition, there are numerous community organizations and numerous service providers including (the Salvation Army, Thorncliffe Neighbourhood Office, The Islamic Center, the Midwives Clinic, Food Banks, The Employment Training Center, March of Dimes, The Language Instruction for Newcomers). All of who live and work along this segment of Overlea Blvd.

The Health concerns for all involved who live and work here include:
• noise and environmental pollution (impacting several residences - condos, townhomes; places of worship, seniors’ home, service providers) → especially with a frequency of trains (running every 90 seconds); vibration, privacy issues, physical and visual intrusion, lost air rights, safety, etc.
• Living in a state of construction and traffic gridlock outside our front door for several years;
• visual and physical intrusion - over the Don Valley, over a SMALL tree-lined residential boulevard

2. TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK: according to this updated route, the elevated rail would cross TWO streets (both Millwood Rd. and Overlea Blvd.). The traffic gridlock that this would bring is unbearable.

Given that most of the line after the new Thorncliffe Station has been moved to run into the industrial area, why isn't the crossover reallocated to do the same? This is an equity issue for everyone living AND working along Overlea Blvd.

• This construction chaos would also result in delays for Emergency response calls (of which we have many First Responders using Millwood and Overlea Blvd) to reach the Overlea and Thorncliffe areas.

3. ECONOMIC IMPACT – DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY VALUES: this current alignment will undoubtedly destroy property values in this segment and have a financial impact on businesses along route – (consider the impact of the Eglinton LRT that has resulted in over 100 small stores closing and is taking over 11 years to build)

4. EQUITY: To add, an elevated rail running along ANY part of Overlea Blvd segregates and alienates the Overlea and Thorncliffe Community. Doug Ford, as a Toronto city councillor in 2012 led a push with his brother, then Mayor Rob Ford, to cast plans for above - ground transit in Scarborough as "second rate and one that alienated suburban Scarborough". Doug Ford added in an interview that year… "The people have spoken loud and clear. Scarborough councillors, MPPs. Everyone in Scarborough wants underground (transit)… I listen to the taxpayers and I'm sure the premier (then Dalton McGuinty) will do the same.”

→ The people who live and work along this segment of Overlea Boulevard are speaking loud and clear in our community: Why is it acceptable then to impose such a "second rate" plan on any other communities (such as the Thorncliffe Park)? This is an equity issue.

5. ENVIRONMENT + HERITAGE SIGN: This route would impact the appearance of the entry into Thorncliffe Park (the Heritage sign has been on that corner since the 1970s and signals the entry to the Thorncliffe community); it would destroy the large cluster of beautiful trees that form a canopy and block the current roadway, and be even closer to the park space at Leaside Park (where hundreds of community members enjoy the green space daily).

PROPOSED ALTERNATIVES TO THIS ROUTE TO AVOID RESIDENTIAL IMPACT:

OPTION 1: Move the Ontario Line one block west to connect over Millwood to Banigan Drive which joins to Thorncliffe Park Drive (and the current new station location). → This change would avoid impacting any residential properties, or community service providers and would eliminate many of the issues noted above. (See Aerial Attachment)
• Option #1 would put the rail over ONE road (Millwood) rather than crossing two roads (both Millwood and Overlea),.
• This ensures greater safety, and less disruption from construction, for all who live (and work) in this segment.
• Still easy access: People would rather take a 3-5 minute walk to the train, than have all of these health impacts associated with a train in the middle of a residential community...let alone on a small boulevard.
• It is more fitting that a major railway with fast speed trains every 90 seconds, run through industrial areas rather than impact any residential areas.
• There would still be easy access to the station at Thorncliffe Park Drive (west)

OPTION 2: MOST BENEFICIAL OPTION FOR THE OVERLEA –THORNLIFFE COMMUNITY IF THE LINE MUST RUN AT GRADE/OVER GRADE:
(See Aerial Attachment)

→ Move the alignment closer to the existing railway, running it along Village Station Road → Connect to Pat Moore Drive → Connect to Thorncliffe Park and relocate the Thorncliffe Station EAST, closer to where you originally had it, on the corner of Thorncliffe Park Drive and Pat Moore Drive. (Please see attached aerial.)

ADDED BENEFITS TO THIS OPTION #2:

• This option would avoid ALL negative community impacts and ALL of the issues outlined…including to all residential properties, to all businesses, to all places of worship and to all community service providers…it is a win-win for all.

• It would be more cost effective as Metrolinx could run much of the line at grade level, AND have the space to do so.

• It would put the rail crossing over only ONE road (Millwood) rather than two…This saves Overlea Blvd from the destructive impact of construction and traffic gridlock for several years.

• It is still easily accessible for the Thorncliffe community (the walk is a short 3 minute walk – one block west)…This re-location of the station would arguably gain better ridership as there are more apartment bldgs. on the east side of Thorncliffe Park Drive and hence more commuters. To be clear, residents along the south side of Thorncliffe Pk. (eg. 65 Thorncliffe, 47 Thorncliffe Pk. Etc.) will opt to take a bus to Pape Station and pick up the Ontario Line there rather than walk 15 minutes to anywhere along Overlea Blvd. If you are truly serving the ridership, it will be the residents living and working along Overlea Blvd. who would want the line moved 1 block west (3 min walk) and avoid the chaos of construction and a railway.

• It is more fitting that this major railway with fast speed trains, run through the northern industrial lands rather than in dense communities….and it would connect more easily to the rest of the Ontario line as it leads to the Flemington stop.

This area of Overlea Blvd. is home to thousands of residents and workers. Please ensure that transit growth is responsible, equitable and as Metrolinx says: “completed in a way that not only serves local transit riders, but also fits into the communities they call home".

The harm caused by an above-ground rail on any part of Overlea Blvd. will be permanent, life altering, and felt for generations.
You will have much more buy in from the entire community that this rail is to serve. Please be responsible and think about the long term impact of this transit line, make the necessary changes to the current alignment. To some this is a project that you want to complete...to us, this is our HOME, WORK and LIVING space!

This information was shared at the October 19 meeting with Metrolinx....We were told that the team would give this serious consideration and the MPP and city councillor agreed that a alternative solution was very feasible....Has there been any follow up to address this in the planning for this segment?

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Metrolinx
Jan 29, 2021 - 17:15

Thank you we value your thoughts and appreciate your concerns, options and feedback. Suggestions raised at the October 19, 2020 meeting were taken back to our project team for their consideration. We were grateful for the opportunity to meet and we are looking forward to returning to continue our discussion with the community at 1 Leaside Park Drive.

We understand and share the importance of health and safety. Safety is central to everything we do at Metrolinx and we would not build or operate transit services that were not safe for neighbours, customers or employees. Noise, vibration and visual impacts from elevated transit lines have been successfully mitigated in Singapore, Paris, and Vancouver. By using the latest technology and techniques our construction partners will use their experience to create a quieter, thinner, and more attractive design. Over the next few years we look forward to the public’s feedback as we present future environmental studies and reports. These reports will provide further information on our plans to mitigate noise and vibration, like using continuous welded rail and rail dampeners to minimize vibration. In addition, we look forward to share renderings and images of potential designs with the public.

We recognize and appreciate the businesses and residents that make the Thorncliffe neighbourhood a vibrant community. Although we are still in the process of finalizing property requirements, we will strive to reduce the impact to homeowners, traffic, and important community services. 

The Ontario Line will be electrified which will mean that no additional emissions will be added into your community. The Ontario Line will provide much needed access to higher order transit, providing a fast and convenient alternative to driving. We estimate that the Ontario Line will mean 28,000 fewer cars on the road per day and reduce annual fuel consumption by 7.2 million litres. Throughout the project, we will strive to reduce the impact to trees. Where the impact to trees is unavoidable, Metrolinx will compensate lost trees at according to the Metrolinx Vegetation Guideline. As the project progresses, we look forward to continue the conversation with the community.

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"At its current design, the Ontario Line will have the capacity to run up to 40 trains per hour, every 90 seconds" - Clearly Metrolinx could not care less about the impact on the Leslieville-Riverdale area through which the above-ground portion will run. This of course is in addition to the GO trains that already run through the corridor. So, how many trains per hour in total will actually be passing through, including GO & Ontario Line, in both directions? Have you done any studies on the impact that will have on the surrounding environment, including the impact of the near constant noise on the mental health of those who live in the area?

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Metrolinx
Jan 27, 2021 - 16:56

While the Ontario Line will have the capacity to run trains every 90 seconds, service levels and schedules will be communicated closer to the Ontario Line opening date. We understand the need to preserve the character of the Riverside-Leslieville neighbourhood. That’s why we will be installing noise and vibration mitigation measures that we anticipate will effectively eliminate noise and vibration from the Ontario Line and reduce the noise from GO and VIA train operations.

Effective, well designed landscaping, new trees, and noise barriers will significantly reduce sound from the rail corridor. Because the Ontario Line trains will be automated, sounds from vehicle brakes will be minimal. Trains will run on continuous tracks with no joints, supported by rubber bases, which will further reduce the noise at its source. Installation of the noise barriers in this area is a priority and will be included in the early works package for this portion of the corridor. 

Details on these and other mitigations will be included as part of environmental reports to be released later this year for public consultation. These reports will include in-depth studies on the anticipated impacts of construction and operation of the Ontario Line, with a specific focus on noise and vibration.

We are committed to fitting the Ontario Line into the communities it will serve and look forward to working with the community as the environmental assessment process progresses.

 

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Anonymous
Jan 22, 2021 - 18:30

Any possibility that Cosburn can be called East York Station instead?

Also, Corktown seems like it might be in St. Lawrence, sort of?

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Metrolinx
Jan 26, 2021 - 16:58

Thank you for your feedback about station names for Cosburn and Corktown Stations. The current station names are working names only and we are looking forward to a community engagement process to select final station names for the Ontario Line. Stay tuned!

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 27, 2021 - 15:56

I am wondering how deep the rail tracks will be on the northern section, especially under Minton Ave and Hopedale Ave. {where I live}. This is just before the train pops out of the tunnel onto the bridge over the DVP. And how does this compare to the depth of the rail tracks on the Danforth line, say around the Pape station?

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Metrolinx
Jan 29, 2021 - 17:12

The depth of the Ontario Line in the north segment will vary depending on the location. The Ontario Line will pass under Line 2 at Pape Station at a depth of approximately 25 to 30 metres below ground. At Minton Place, the Ontario Line will raise to approximately 10 metres below ground before crossing the Don River. Our team is currently working to fine tune alignment specifics and depth details are subject to change. 

Khalil Heron's avatar
Jan 30, 2021 - 23:23

The original proposal had the line running along the road median on Overlea Blvd. The more recent rendition of the alignment has altered this so it runs on the north-western side of the road instead. Is there a specific reason for this? In my opinion, at least having the tracks run along the middle of the road would be a lot nicer looker given the symmetry. Overlea already has a wide median along much of its course so I don't see why the alignment there was changed. Having the tracks run above the median may also give future developers some more room to have their structures built closer to the street.

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Metrolinx
Feb 3, 2021 - 09:44

By shifting the elevated guideway to the north side of Overlea, we are able to reduce impacts to traffic during construction and provide a safer customer journey. This also preserves the unique character of the boulevard. Sensitive design using modern materials will help ensure that any new infrastructure fits with the community it will serve and we look forward to sharing initial designs and more information as the project advances.

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Feb 8, 2021 - 17:25

Will the Ontario Line have Platform Screen Doors? Will the other subway projects like the Scarborough Subway and Eglinton West LRT have them as well?

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Metrolinx
Feb 19, 2021 - 14:29

The Ontario Line train doors will automatically open and close in sync with platform edge doors that will be installed at all stations, keeping both passengers and objects safely separated from moving vehicles. The Scarborough Subway Extension will also protect for this feature in the design and construction of the extension, however, it would only be implemented once the rest of Line 2 is retrofitted to accommodate platform edge doors. Seeing as the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension project is in the early design stage for the stations, rail and systems work, station amenities including platform edge doors are being evaluated as part of the design process. If you have any further questions about the Scarborough Subway Extension, please contact [email protected]. For questions about the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension, please contact [email protected].

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Khalil Heron
Feb 9, 2021 - 10:37

You've said that the community will have some involvement in the naming of stations, but will the public be able to influence the design of stations? Many have felt the stations on the Line 1 Extension to Vaughan or the Crosstown have been pretty bland and boring looking so community input on the design of Ontario line stations could be useful and add character. For example, a station at queen and Spadina could be designed to reflect its location in the middle of Chinatown, but without community input that seems unlikely to happen.

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Metrolinx
Feb 10, 2021 - 12:38

Our goal for the Ontario Line is that each of the stations integrate well with the neighborhoods they will serve, and reflect their unique character and feel. Community feedback will be an important part of seeing this through and we look forward to sharing more information as the design and procurement phases advance.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 10, 2021 - 14:38

I am trying to see where the west line will exactly go. The map you are showing is very vague. Please show me a more detailed map for the area from King & Bathurst running south.
Also how deep are you going? How do you avoid the Garrison creek and condo's in the area?

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Metrolinx
Feb 17, 2021 - 13:30

Our most recent maps for the west segment of the Ontario Line can be found on Metrolinx Engage here and the segment overview map shows the route from the station at King Bathurst to Exhibition. While the planning and design is still underway, the Ontario Line will be quite deep in order to avoid many condos, underground parking garages, basements and existing utilities.  Investigative drilling and surveying is being used to confirm the locations of utilities underground and ground conditions to avoid any impact. More details regarding the route and depth of the tracks will be shared as the project advances.

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Anonymous
Feb 12, 2021 - 12:40

Would the GO Expansion corridor between Gerrard and Queen, and then out to the east bank of the Don River still require expansion to 4 tracks if VIA Rail moved its service to the Richmond Hill GO corridor?

Could Ontario Line + GO Expansion be only 5 tracks, or possibly even only 4 tracks, if VIA Rail services into Union Station were relocated?

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Metrolinx
Feb 24, 2021 - 10:48

There are currently no plans to relocate VIA service. Even without VIA service in this corridor, the 4th GO track is required to accommodate the planned two-way all-day electrified GO service and thanks to careful planning and design work we do not anticipate any significant expansions of the current Lakeshore East GO corridor footprint when the one GO track and two Ontario Line tracks are added.