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Metrolinx Town Hall, September 5, 2019

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mdrejhon's avatar

One Niagara train per day goes to West Harbour GO station per day, but it has to "back-in" to pick up passengers.

Also, the weekend Niagara train service does not stop at West Harbour GO yet.

When will West Harbour become a through station (instead of a dead-end station) so that all Niagara trains stop there?

Anonymous's avatar

Now that the proposed CN freight bypass has been shelved, can we get some specifics on changes being planned west of Bramalea -- be it a third track through downtown Brampton to Georgetown, a flyover near the Credit River, improvements to facilities at Georgetown, or changes to capacity along the Guelph Subdivision? Do the heritage stations at Brampton and Georgetown have a role in Metrolinx's plans? And how will CN's large and continuing presence in this corridor affect the possibility of electrification west of Bramalea?

2058pd1skn_8667's avatar

Aug 19, 2019 - 10:02

At one point the government committed to electrification of the GO train. Is that still moving forward and is hydrogen being considered? (since it is the lower cost option)

John's avatar
Aug 20, 2019 - 13:01

When will the Lakeshore line be electrified

torontoterry's avatar

Aug 19, 2019 - 13:05

Where will it start ? From which shop ? There are pole bases at the Whitby shop & it could proceed from there to Wiilowbrook.

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 16, 2019 - 14:44

Why do we continue to build massive (impermeable) parking lots (sprawling surface or stacked), at enormous cost, free to use, and refuse to build green affordable housing and mixed-use projects at GO transit (bus/train) stations? What will it take to utilize this incredible opportunity, staring us in the face, for decades? I'm taking less pavement, less cars, less climate impact, more active transportation users, a huge base of new transit users at your doorstep and a massive increase in revenue, without having to increase fares (via leasing land/air rights, rental income as landlord, parking fees from drivers).

John's avatar
Aug 20, 2019 - 13:04

When will wifi be available on all GO trains

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 09:27

Are we ever going to see an increase to the service levels on the Milton Line (Meadowvale)? We hear about all the other lines getting increased, all day service but nothing has changed on the Milton Line in a few years? Is there any chance of all day service or weekend service?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 25, 2019 - 22:02

How far along the Barrie GO corridor is double tracking planned in the short term? And will double tracking result in the use of Downsview Park Station's east platform?

2058pd1skn_8667's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 10:00

The GO parking lots are massive. Why isn't GO thinking about building on top of them - for commercial and residential uses? This is a revenue generation opportunity to expand services for riders while keeping rates down. I would love to get off the GO train and have a grocery store right there to pick up a few groceries on my way home. Or some stores to browse when I miss my train. And I would love for my car to be covered from the hot sun, and snow storms.

c8f7s14889_8691's avatar
Aug 21, 2019 - 10:14

Since the opening of the York University subway system people traveling to York now have to pay an additional TTC fare of $1.60 one-way. The respective transit systems had over 10 years to get this resolved yet commuters are stuck with higher costs, even though GO buses now travel less than before (Highway 407 West bus stops at Hwy. 407 Terminal instead of driving all the way to YorkU). When will GO resume responsibility and lower their portion of the ticket cost so that true fare-integration can happen?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 09:26

Due to increased ridership on the Milton GO line, when does Metrolinx intend on expanding its service to all-day service and not just during morning and afternoon rush hour? Thank you.

Anonymous's avatar

Aug 25, 2019 - 13:37

Had Metrolinx considered a hybrid option between the DRL and Ontario Line, whereby the underground alignment is retained through Don River/East Harbour/Gerrard, but cost savings explored (i.e. eliminate Carlaw jog, using different train technology, eliminate track connection to B-D, use cut-and-cover in sections, etc.)?

3ltlnzs090_8662's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 09:39

It will be really helpful if we get all day train service on Milton line. After the peak hours, we do not have direct bus from and to our station, it goes all over the place. Please provide us the train for every hour. The bus ride takes more than an hour depends on the traffic, construction and we will be late for our appointment.

Daniel B's avatar
Aug 22, 2019 - 04:16

Are there any current plans once the LRT is completed and opened to re in-state the loop portion around downtown Mississauga?

Anonymous's avatar

Aug 23, 2019 - 16:19

Recently Kitchener line GO trains have been added for events such as the Caribbean carnival and CNE. In the future will it be possible to have consistent weekend service on the Bramalea GO line to and from Union Station?

vvqr8w1zcv_8664's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 09:42

Will there be additional buses for evening rush hour service? Currently those of us from Orangeville and surrounding areas only have a choice of two buses for evening service. One connects from the 4:50 pm train and the 6:00 pm train. If you find ridership is low it is because people are dissatisfied with these being the sole rush hour buses.

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 25, 2019 - 15:57

Considering that Metrolinx found the connected Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown to be the best option, and considering that there were no complaints from Scarborough about this solution, would Metrolinx consider connecting Scarborough Centre to the rest of Toronto by an elevated line - perhaps a branch of the Ontario Line?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 28, 2019 - 15:25

It's almost 2020 and Ontario still doesn't have high speed rail. How much longer are we going to have to wait for something that many countries around the world are already significantly benefiting from?

mjc's avatar
Aug 21, 2019 - 21:35

Connection to Waterloo Region from GTA appears to be a Metrolinx priority with several improvements on the Kitchener Line. Several GO Transit services are already available traveling to Waterloo Region from Peel including Bus 25, 30 and Kitchener Train. Why is there no co-fare with Grand River Transit when transferring from all GO Transit vehicles to GRT busses and Ion LRT? When will this get implemented?

Jennifer's avatar
Aug 22, 2019 - 21:39

There recently was some changes to the Kitchener train line service, but it's still useless to me. The announcement said that they know there are issues with limited parking at stations but you can connect to local transit at discounted prices. That would be great if there was any local transit running at the times I would need it. I just want to be able to see a concert in Toronto which ends at 11-11:30pm and be able to take transit back to Kitchener afterwards, preferably stopping at Sportsworld where there is parking available. At the moment this is impossible. There is no transportation that goes back to Kitchener from Toronto after 11pm. The one departing right at 11pm does not stop at Sportsworld and arrives downtown in Kitchener after the local bus service has ended for the night. Still looking for express routes and late night service. Is it ever going to happen?

bcdbl2tznw_8696's avatar

Aug 22, 2019 - 18:01

Why won't you extend train service during the weekend? Also, why is the gap in service after the 6:25pm train not addressed?

Daniel B's avatar
Aug 20, 2019 - 09:15

What will be the new track route for City Centre Station with no loop.
Ie: will it loop itself back? Or what additional roads will it use.

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 26, 2019 - 19:40

When will construction begin for electrification?

JoeyC's avatar
Aug 23, 2019 - 08:39

We despereately need a Go Bus In Milton that services the Premium outlets in Halton Hills, not even local transit services it.
Also why not make the 27 and the 21 have its final stop at the Milton Park and Ride, so we can easily transfer to route 25 and 29, which is the gateway to square one and Kitchener. Since you removed route 24 there is no way for us to get to the Park and Ride, and local transit does not service this outside of rush hours.

We also need a bus service that takes us from Milton to Oakville, removing the route 20 was the dumbest thing ever, these poor students have no way to college unless they go through mississauga, we need that route back and every 1 hour.

Also all day Go train from Milton to Union, I know CP owns the tracks but there must be something that can be done, even if the service is every 1.5 hours

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 16, 2019 - 14:09

Would GO transit consider implementing a bus route from Unionville GO Station to Aurora GO station via highway 407 and 404. This bus route will allow convenient access for residents going between Markham/Scarborough to Aurora/Newmarket and further North. Currently, it can take over an hour to get from Aurora GO to Unionville GO by local transit YRT or a detour through Hwy 407 station and Downsview Park GO in Vaughan. A direct GO bus service between Aurora GO and Unionville GO can reduce travel time to 30 mins and bring in more jobs opportunities for people in both Aurora and Markham. Passengers will be able to transfer to/from the Stouffville Line and 407 East buses at Unionville GO station. They can also connect to the Barrie line at Aurora GO station. This bus route will provide a more direct option for residents in the area.

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 23, 2019 - 16:41

There seems to be little or no enforcement regarding smoking on GO property. There are signs posted but no enforcement. There is little to no enforcement regarding the Quiet Zone on trains. Leaving commuters to remind offenders and face altercations. CSRs should be assigned to travel the trains to monitor and reinforce the rules. Commuters shouldn’t have to.

c8f7s14889_8691's avatar
Aug 21, 2019 - 10:10

When will it be possible to set-up default trips on GO buses to reduce the amount of missed tap-ons/tap-offs? It is possible on trains and I don't understand why it cannot be set-up on GO buses. The presto card readers on buses are so scratched that it is often impossible to read if the tap worked or not.

Daniel B's avatar
Aug 22, 2019 - 04:30

With the Ontario Line Subway from Ontario Place to Science Centre. What are the current objective goals from Metrolinx?

Anonymous's avatar


What is being done to bring CP to the table? Fundamentally, Metrolinx has to do it's part to educate people and emphasize to politicians the importance of buying the line, without which all-day GO service will not be possible on the Milton Lne.

Looking at the ridership increase on other lines one can only wonder how much development in Mississauga and Milton will suffer from the lack of all day GO - due to development moving to cities/areas that are getting this service.

EK-Metro's avatar
Aug 27, 2019 - 17:03

Back in April 2019 it was announced that the downtown loop of the LRT would be dropped as a cost savings. The Loop is essential to capture the thousands of residents who live on Webb Drive, Confederation Parkway and surrounding areas. When planning an LRT, it is important to view connectivity to residents but also to connect to important sites. For Mississauga, connecting to the Civic Centre, Living Arts Centre and Sheridan College is vitally important. What efforts can be made to have this cut reconsidered?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 28, 2019 - 15:31

Why does Metrolinx continue to waste valuable land on surface parking? That space could be utilized to build high density housing with office and commercial uses. Surface parking just encourages people to drive to the stations, is a waste of space and looks terrible. Time to smarten up.

NRCommute03's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 22:25

Is there any plan for Presto to come to Niagara, I would love to be able to use my Presto card to get on a bus near my house and use it to get all the way up to York Region, etc.

Daniel B's avatar
Aug 22, 2019 - 04:37

With major parts of the proposed Ontario Line above and below ground, Is your council envisioning it be similar to the Vancouver Sky Trains, LRT (Crosstown) or something we haven't quite seen in Canada?

Kevin's avatar
Aug 28, 2019 - 10:50

We've heard transit Phil Verster say that their role is to give fierce, professional advice to politicians and then implement whatever they say. Why is it that we, the public, never hear that advice? Why is it that we never hear Metrolinx officials publicly say ANYTHING that contradicts their political masters even when those political masters contradict themselves? What is the point of public meetings like this one when the public hasn't seen the Metrolinx senior staff or Board ever publicly stuck its neck out for the public...unless one thinks the Board's emergency meeting to debate with Toronto millionaire should have a station named after him?

This may sound pointed and unfair but we have yet to see an example of Metrolinx pushing a policy that puts riders ahead of politicians. One need only look at Metrolinx's embrace of lower subsidies under this government and tepid push for real fare integration to see that Metrolinx staff advocates for the government TO Ontario residents instead of advocating for Ontario residents TO the government.

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 28, 2019 - 15:38

Milton is one of the fastest growing communities in Canada with their population estimated to more than double within 10 years. Is anything being done to expedite the delivery of two way all day GO service faster than originally planned?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 25, 2019 - 23:04

Why is Lakeshore East Corridor expansion winning bidder taking so long to select? This process has been on-going for some time now, and no progress has been shown.

drum118's avatar
Aug 27, 2019 - 17:25

Why is the 3rd track not in place that was to be operational by 2011 to add some hour service 7 days a week? Some of the 3rd track was installed along with a new 3rd track bridge at Cawthra Rd

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 28, 2019 - 15:34

I understand the LRT loop in Mississauga was cancelled due to budget but from a transportation and land use planning perspective this was such a critical component of the project. Why didn't Metrolinx / the Ontario government ask the federal government to assist with funding? Is there potential for this loop to be built in the future?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 09:22

Are there any plans in the works for full day GO train service on the Milton Line (Erindale Station)?

abhojwani_4728's avatar

Aug 19, 2019 - 09:38

Are there plans to increase weekday and introduce weekend service on the Milton line?

NWS's avatar
Aug 20, 2019 - 06:15

Ive seen a bunch of car pool spota at my station. Yet I only see 1 person hopping in and out of their car. Why have these spots when ppl are abusing it? Just open it up for the rest of us. Same with the reserved parking spot.

8b15hqjq8x_8689's avatar
Aug 22, 2019 - 11:33

We are group of students who travel from Brampton to Orangeville on daily basis. We would need frequent GO bus services to Orangeville. currently we have only one at 7 am and the other one starts at 12pm . We would need bus in between 7 am and 12 , and after 12 from orangeville the next bus is at 3.34. Kindly have more buses schedule during this time. We have no other option to reach to our college

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 25, 2019 - 16:59

Will we be seeing an Express route (Niagara Falls-St. Catharines-Burlington GO-Burlington 407 P&R)? Is there a Waterloo-Hamilton bus planned? Is there a Niagara-Hamilton bus planned?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 31, 2019 - 13:19

There are a lot of questions below regarding Milton line all day two way service. I am proposing a solution.
Outside of rush hour train service, provide us with a Go bus that runs express from a Milton line station, to a Lakeshore West line station, where we can connect with the trains.
For example, run Go buses from Streetsville to Clarkson. Or from Milton to Oakville.
I've suggested this to Go transit before, and was told to take local transit, but local transit would be obligated to stop and not be able to run express. I strongly urge Metrolinx to consider this, even providing hourly buses on weekends and non-rush hour weekdays would help people move around the GTA. And it would ease the traffic faced by Go buses downtown.

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 09:27

I have heard for more than 10 years that the Milton line would be getting all day service. Most other lines have this but the Milton line - which serves the quickest and biggest growing population. I do know that the rails to do not belong to Go but you have know this right from the beginning and have not done anything to remedy this. What is being done to serve the commuters on this line?

NWS's avatar
Aug 20, 2019 - 06:20

The power outlets on your trains are a hit and miss. Nothing is worse than trying to do some work on the train and expecting to plug my laptop in and there's no power. What's the deal here.?At this point the GO trains are just big subway trains... just miving folks back and forth without any perks. Don't get me started on WiFi, or lack thereof. Are you planning on offering any of these on ur trains on a consistent basis?

Anonymous's avatar

Will there be a specific route bringing professionals from Cooksville station to Meadowvale Financial District (vice versa) now that more and more Toronto Financial companies are moving their employees to Meadowvale Financial district.

Denise's avatar
Aug 20, 2019 - 08:59

Another person was killed in Mississauga by a GO train on Sunday, August 11. When will Metrolinx be erecting high gauge fencing, motion sensitive lighting and signage to prevent these deaths?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 20, 2019 - 09:11

What are the next steps and timelines in the process to obtain full approval from the Province?

Canada 1's avatar
Aug 20, 2019 - 19:10

Can you narrow it down to a decade when we will get all day go trains to Hamilton?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 24, 2019 - 18:28

How soon does Metrolinx expect to incorporate the Presto Card services into various Apple Pay/Samsung Pay devices similar to Suica transit card from Japan that is rendered into Apple/Samsung Pay? End of 2019? 2020?

Anonymous's avatar

The latest train service change, beginning tomorrow, isn't accompanied by any changes to bus service. Where trains are being added, buses continue to run, often within minutes of the new trains. Where train times are being shifted (such as with the new express/local split on the Kitchener line), connecting buses still leave at the old times, making for long waits.

Firstly, why isn't bus service being adjusted at the same time as train service?

Secondly, what cuts to bus service can we expect in the November schedule period? Will bus service on routes 12, 30, 31/33 and 71 continue where it doesn't directly duplicate a train trip?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 4, 2019 - 20:46

Thank you for trying to maintain new, safe stations with the construction. My concern are the drivers exiting the station. They do not take their time and I have witnessed and been hit in and near the parking lot three times by drivers in a hurry. I appreciate the announcements, but unfortunately they do not work. Can you please ensure there are good mirrors in the future parking garage at Bramalea GO, and work on another strategy to slow down the drivers in and outside parking lots?

I noticed the wiring at the Bay West exit to prevent things/rocks/cement from falling, but what about the staircases? Everyday I go down the stairs, I look up and fear something that could fall. Can you please prioritize platform staircases as well?

wwrm6j5vvd_8661's avatar

Aug 19, 2019 - 09:31

When will we have a full day service on the Milton line?

When will the current parking lot under construction at Cooksville be completed?

8b15hqjq8x_8689's avatar
Aug 21, 2019 - 06:05

Hi metrolinx
We are group of students who live at brampton and travel to orangeville for study . At the moment there is only one bus which goes to the orangeville side bus no 37. At 7 am . And the other one is only at 12pm. Is there anyway that you can add more buses between 7 am and 12 , also add more return buses from orangeville to brampton. Especially in the afternoon. Go buses are the only option to reach to orangeville from brampton. Kindly take this request and add more bus services. This is a humble request.

HappyCamper_t.o's avatar
Aug 21, 2019 - 15:50

Will MX pay for residents living along the tracks to install soundproof window technology (products that use acoustical laminated glass)? if yes, what is the process for reimbursement?

Nathaniel's avatar
Aug 22, 2019 - 01:59

The Brampton Transit Zum lines have definitely helped commuting inside and out of the city much faster and more efficient. Are there any plans for rapid transit connecting East Brampton (Bramalea/Gore) to other transport hubs like Pearson or Vaughan Metropolitan Centre via light rail transit rather than buses?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 24, 2019 - 18:29

How soon does Metrolinx expect to incorporate the Presto Card services into various Apple Pay/Samsung Pay devices similar to Suica transit card from Japan that is rendered into Apple/Samsung Pay? End of 2019? 2020?

EK-Metro's avatar
Aug 27, 2019 - 17:09

It was announced that due to cost cutting, there will be a reduction in the art work and a savings when it comes to the materials used on the LRT stations. As this has been a more than 10-year planning venture with an expectation that this LRT line will be in use for decades to come, can we insist on using materials that will withstand the test of time. A well designed, safe, sturdy, non-rusting, bright station with some art features will attract ridership. Do we really need to do re-work a few years down the road due to being stingy at the outset?

Anonymous's avatar
Aug 30, 2019 - 14:19

Milton is in GTA. But it has limited connectivity. Go trains are available only in the afternoon. Go buses are also less. No transit available between Amazon and cross center on Steeles.
When can we expect Miway/Zum/Milton transit between Milton and Meadowvale/Brampton Gateway terminus?

Anonymous's avatar

Sep 2, 2019 - 19:49

Why is GO using such uncomfortable seat designs?
We don’t need armrests that move up and down.
We don’t new headrests designed to look like “wings”.
We don’t need seats that are rock hard.

Please provide more seating with moulded seats. Please provide softer seating.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 3, 2019 - 16:45

Will there be major developments regarding the North side of Brampton? Perhaps a bus station that takes buses direct to Union or to the GO station. A person whose main residence is intersecting Mayfield, Countryside, Sandalwood Parkway, etc will often have to drive 15-25 minutes to the nearest GO station (Bramalea GO). If the individual does not have a car, they have to take a bus for more than 35-45 minutes just to get to the GO station.

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 3, 2019 - 16:48

Will there ever be more accommodation for Northern Bramptonians who travel unreasonably far just to get to the GO station? Perhaps a new line in the future going through Vaughan and then downtown Toronto?

Ron's avatar
Sep 3, 2019 - 19:54

Now that new Mayor and Brampton Council has endorsed the original plan Hurontario LRT to connect the Brampton Downtown Go Station, will this section also be planned and built in conjunction with the existing plan outlined? Also, since they also endorsed a plan to extend it to the 410 Valleyfield area, can the design for this proposal also begin?

Anonymous's avatar
Sep 4, 2019 - 13:02

Will Metrolinx take over the entire TTC system as it doesn't make sense for only the subway?

imissedthebus's avatar

Sep 4, 2019 - 19:30

Hi! I’ve been a long time Go transit user. I love how clean the buses are, and the drivers are really nice. My biggest pain point is bus transfers in Aberfoyle when I take the 25 from Waterloo. The 25 is scheduled to arrive in Aberfoyle at 20 minutes on the hour while the 29 and 48 come within 10 minutes of each other, the final one departing at 15 minutes on the hour. Is there any way these schedules can be changed so riders from Waterloo going to Guelph can have a shorter connection time? The wait is as long as an hour.

Anonymous's avatar

Aug 26, 2019 - 13:06

Why did the commuters who positively impact the environment by travelling the furthest get hit with the ticket increase whereas those who don’t (I.e., short trips) get no increase at all? Seems counterintuitive re climate change.

Anonymous's avatar

Aug 27, 2019 - 09:45

We don't hear about this line a lot compared to the other lines. What are the plans to keep it viable after the Yonge North Extension opens?

Long time go rider 's avatar
Aug 29, 2019 - 07:08

Is there any reason why the 48 and 48B east bound buses can’t drop off passengers closer to the main bus area?
Currently we get dropped off at stop 15 or 16 and have to walk around the entire station to get back to the Bramalea transit buses. In the winter that will be brutal with our weather.

imissedthebus's avatar
Sep 4, 2019 - 21:15

The current issue is that the bus schedules for the 25, 29, and 48 do not intersect with each other very well. The buses for the 29 and 48 arrive in Aberfoyle approximately 5 and 10 minutes before the 25. This often results in passengers waiting up to an hour for the next bus. Is making changes to the schedules a possibility?

Bel's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 09:42

Why are there so many reserve parking spots at the Brampton Go Station that are not being used. Its impossible to find a parking spot at this station after 6:45am.

2058pd1skn_8667's avatar

Aug 19, 2019 - 09:55

The 4:40pm train from Union to Milton is always uncomfortably full. Is it possible to add another train around this time?
When is the Milton line getting all day service?
How does freight train traffic delay the GO train?
Is it possible to review the procedure for a fatality so that passengers could leave the train instead of being held for 3+ hrs?

Bob's avatar
Aug 20, 2019 - 09:34

Will the expert panel review of the line 2 extension to Scarborough Centre result in delays to construction, which was to begin this fall?

rp5svpqpm8_8666's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 09:52

Would it be at all possible to put stop signs along Blundell's entrance to and from Dixie Go - this street is the throughway to Costco and Walmart power center. Sometimes Dixie patrons are waiting long lines to get out of the parking lot because there is only one stop sign. A couple of stop signs will control traffic flow better. Thanks.

John's avatar

What specifically has Metrolinx been instructed to do related to the Downtown Relief Line, and when will construction start?

fwq6fwq3r9_8663's avatar
Aug 19, 2019 - 09:41

While we understand that this project was necessary for easing congestion and offering a solution to commuters such as myself. As an owner of a unit directly impacted by the structure (my view of the north/east completely lost). Our windows have not been cleaned since the project started and frankly our condo board is at a loss to provide the answers as to when they will be cleaned. This is part of our maintenance, but the money has not been spent because it would need to be done more frequently. Is Metrolinx prepared to cover the cost to the bulidings impacted and repave the private through way that leads up to the parking structure. Thank you

Elizabeth.fox_6061's avatar

Aug 20, 2019 - 00:08

What plans are in place to increase parking at the Brampton GO which is full by 7:00 am? With the increase in daily service, how can GO Transit promote usage when there is no place left to park? Houses were acquired to accommodate the now cancelled University to add parking and remain boarded up. Additionally when is the Kitchener line going to have trains on the weekends? How is GO Transit/Metrolinx dealing with ongoing delays due to freight train traffic?
Thank you

gw1k92zcz2_8660's avatar

Aug 19, 2019 - 09:30

What is the plan to expand parking spaces in Brampton and Mount Pleasant. In order to enjoy the extended train services, need availability of parking spaces during the day (after 8am). At Mount Pleasant it is even hard to find parking space for 7:53 am train.