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Kitchener 4th Track LIVE – September 8, 2022

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As we continue to evolve the virtual engagement format, we are adding a call-in option for tonight’s event. To ask your question by voice, join the Zoom meeting here. We aim to keep each question and subsequent answer to 3 minutes allowing for as many call-in questions as possible.

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Agenda

7:00PM: Meeting Begins/Opening Remark

7:05PM: Presentation

7:35PM : Questions and Answers 

8:25PM: Wrap up and Closing Remarks

Meet the Speakers

Luiza Sadowski

Luiza Sadowski

Senior Manager, Community Engagement - Toronto West GO Expansion
Metrolinx (Moderator)

Christine Macneil

Christine Macneil

Project Manager, GO Expansion Project Delivery
Metrolinx

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Ivan Lau

Project Manager,
Grascan

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Sandra Neal

Senior Project Coordinator, Capital Projects
City of Toronto | Parks, Forestry & Recreation

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Stratford's avatar

For many years the infrastructure and rolling stock has been in place to allow weekend and holiday service, yet there still isn’t any. According to Metrolinx the demand has existed for thirty years (since the 1993 Environmental Assessment).

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 11:58

We know customers are eager to see more service on the Kitchener line, including on weekends and holidays. As more of our customers return to ride with us, we continue to assess service levels and ridership across our network. We design our schedules to balance resources, and customer needs, and best align to new travel patterns. We will continue to monitor ridership and demand. 

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Via has asked to stop their London trains in Weston since at least 2015. It would shave an hour off travel time to or from Pearson Airport for patrons in London, St.Mary’s Stratford, Kitchener and Georgetown. GO vehicles do not operate on weekends and holdays and are therefore not always an option. The original excuse was that via could not be acommodated within the UP 15 minute schedule. Now that up is not on 15 minutes via can be fit. Please advise.

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 12:04

We are looking into this. Once we have more information we will let you know. 

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Stratford's avatar
Aug 26, 2022 - 18:39

It was originally promised by a minister to be done by 2017. There are no more environmental assessments to go through.

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:03

ONxpress Transportation Partners is on board to deliver the multi-billion dollar GO Expansion project.  Metrolinx and ONxpress are currently in a two-year development phase, working together to finalize the project scope, pricing, design and construction schedules. Infrastructure requirements and timing will be refined during this period follow, @GOExpansion for updates. 

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Anonymous's avatar

I understand it takes time for all-day service to be available on the Kitchener line. But while we wait - how about an express bus route from Guelph to Union? KW has express routes to Toronto, but Guelph doesn't, and getting to Toronto in the evening, for that Leafs or Raptors game, or any other event, is basically impossible now. Buses take 3 hours and stop in every single town on the way. One express line that leaves Guelph after 5 PM and arrives at Union at 7 PM will likely be very successful.

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 11:59

Thank you for this feedback. As more of our customers return to ride with us, we continue to assess service levels and ridership across our network. We design our schedules to balance resources, and customer needs, and best align to new travel patterns. We will continue to monitor ridership and demand. 

 

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 5, 2022 - 11:06

How much longer until you build the tunnel that will connect Bloor GO with Dundas West Station on line 2?

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:01
  • Metrolinx will be creating a tunnel extension from Bloor GO Station to Dundas West TTC Station, providing a seamless connection between these two transit points.  
  • The tunnel will also connect the Crossways commercial complex through the underground parking structure.  
  • The project is in the last stages of design, and procurement is expected to start next year. You can expect to receive more updates at the beginning of procurement.  
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scottd's avatar
Sep 6, 2022 - 11:34

The closures for RP and Access will be changing and confusing. RP and the station are used by people outside of the community who travel to it. How will people get timely information and how come Metrolinx doesnt make use of Facebook which has busy community groups that reflect the area? Most people are not on twitter.

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Anonymous's avatar

Why not add the fourth track on the West side of the existing tracks, or better yet in the middle where there is space? Adding it on the East side intrudes with the Railpath and residential areas. It seems it would be much better if the fourth track was added to the other side of the rail corridor.

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:07

The Galt Sub (Milton) single track and future second track exist on the west side and branch westwards at the West Toronto grade separation. The “space” on the west side is allocated for that second track. A new Weston Sub (Kitchener) track on the west side would need to cross across the Milton track(s) to continue onwards. Further, all other tracks would need to shift eastwards to fit through the grade separation. There is also no platform that would serve an additional single Kitchener track. The new track also utilizes a historical track location and dedicated over and under-road spans north and south of the project location. In short, it will have been considered but will have been quickly ruled out for the above and many more reasons. 

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Anonymous's avatar

Will you post notifications in advance? Recently the trail has been closed in sections with little notice

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 11:28

We will always provide notifications in advance, and we’ll include them in our newsletters, post them on the website and mail them throughout the area. The current closures were short-term, and it was for safety reasons. In terms of the longer closures, customers will always have access to the train platforms and detour instructions will be in place. 

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Anonymous's avatar

There has been significant tree removal. In an area where tree cover is already limited, how will you replant the trail beyond bushes

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:09

There’s a mix and taller and smaller trees that will go in. Metrolinx will be planting 109 trees. These trees will provide consistent shade to the area. The replanting plan with help to improve the biodiversity of the West Toronto Railpath. A mix of species has been selected to create a more diverse ecosystem that will provide these habitats and food for wildlife. The number of removals is greater than the replanting plan, because the Railpath occupies significant space, and while the proposed plan requires adequate soil volume, they are subject to setback requirements and providing adequate space between trees will give the space room to grow and reduce space completion. The increased amount of soil for each tree increases access to light water and nutrients. Scott Torrance has been brought in to complete the landscape. This is a conscious effort that should carry throughout the Railpath.  

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Anonymous
Sep 7, 2022 - 20:16

There has been talk on Twitter that the Bike SHare has been removed and some users of the GO station use it to complete their commutes every day. Will there be temp locations?

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:10

Yes, the bike share has been relocated to the northwest corner of Randolph and Perth.  

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Anonymous's avatar

The amount of trees that have been removed, and will be removed over the next few days, is simply staggering.
The provided vague rationale about clearing future station entry ways and removing invasive species does not align whatsoever with the types, locations, and sheer quantity of felled trees. The result is a near clear-cut in many areas. It's quite devastating. The "many will eventually be replaced" talking point is unsatisfactory. Can you provide precise & true justification for the removal of each tree that has been deforested?

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:05
  • Metrolinx is committed to minimizing the impact of new and existing infrastructure on ecosystems and working to manage, preserve and protect them as much as possible.  
  • A detailed tree inventory was completed in 2018 and Metrolinx continues to work closely with the City of Toronto to ensure that only trees absolutely necessary for removal are being taken out. 
  • As part of the restoration phase of the project, 109 native trees will be replanted in the area, as well as additional shrubs, grasses and vines. 
  • Vegetation that will be maintained has been protected and will remain so throughout the construction.
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Anonymous's avatar

Given the close proximity of the train and the rail path, will a noise barrier wall be installed? What protective measures will this provide and how will it be designed (height, looks, etc.).

Also, what type of planting or other form of aesthetic improvements will be implemented to enhance the visual appeal of this barrier, as well as replace the previous vegetation that has now been removed?

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:12

In terms of proper barriers, the entire Right-of-Way (ROW) will be protected. There will be a combination of noise barriers, retaining walls and fences. It will be of similar height to the current one along the ROW and will also feature vines to deflect graffiti and it will add that lush green feel once it’s grown. 

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Anonymous's avatar

With the 4th track encroaching even closer to residence between Wallace and bloor we are reminded of surprise midnight awakening — a result of tamping. How will Metrolinx improve communication of residents and avoid excessive noise, even during the day when many people are still working remotely?

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:15

With any kind of construction project of this nature, there will be noise associated with the work. With the installation of the caisson, we will be drilling rather than driving them down. We’ll also use different equipment, and noise monitors as well so we know when we exceed restrictions.  

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Anonymous's avatar

Will there be any work at night on the railpath and for what component and if so explain how you will ensure there will be no noise impacts to residents who live right beside the project

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:17

It depends on timing and also corridor restrictions, which may require us to do work at night. We’ll have noise monitors on at work locations.  

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Anonymous's avatar

Explain how you will maintain access to Bloor GO and UP Express service for residents accessing from the WRP side

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:18

For the detours that include the use of the stairs at Bloor, there will be signage before Bloor to show the accessible route. 

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 8, 2022 - 19:13

Railpath is full of invasive species and part of Metrolinx's stance on why these trees need to come down is because they are invasive and native species will be replanted. After this project the railpath will apparently be replanted. How are you doing to manage invasive species properly along the railpath so that you don't see the same issue in the future

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 11:20

Once the landscaping goes in, the Metrolinx will be a part of the maintenance for a three-year period. This will involve herbicides, all based on government regulations. After that, the city will take over and maintain the Railpath.

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Anonymous
Sep 8, 2022 - 19:17

Will there be development on top of the new entrance?

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 11:23

No. The new entrance is just for the elevator and stairs access to the station. 

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Anonymous's avatar

There are four tracks in most spots from Lansdowne to Black Creek. Some spots there are five

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 12:03

The Kitchener line currently has 3 tracks in this location. The other track is a part of the Milton line. 

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Anonymous's avatar

The slides show detours around construction for railpath users. However, the routes along Bloor involve stairs, so they are not accessible. What is suggested the barrier-free detour for railpath users?

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 11:34

For the detours that include the use of the stairs at Bloor, there will be signage before Bloor to show the accessible route. 

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 8, 2022 - 19:23

The Galt Sub (Milton) single track and future second track exist on the west side and branch westwards at the West Toronto grade separation. The “space” on the west side is allocated for that second track. A new Weston Sub (Kitchener) track on the west side would need to cross across the Milton track(s) to continue onwards. Further, all other tracks would need to shift eastwards to fit through the grade separation. There is also no platform that would serve an additional single Kitchener track. The new track also utilises a historical track location and dedicated over and under road spans north and south of the project location. In short, it will have been considered but will have been quickly ruled out for the above and many more reasons.

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 11:56

This is a class 4 track, so trains go a maximum of about 80 miles per hour. However, since this is within the station limits the trains will operate at a much slower speed.  

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 8, 2022 - 19:47

The trees that were cut down provided wonderful shade along the railpath, which is especially welcomed during the summer. Vines along the noise barriers wont restore that, is there a plan to plant trees that can create shade again?

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:14

Yes, the shade will eventually be restored on the Railpath. We expect the vines to grow back quickly however, we are not exactly sure how long it will take the trees to grow. We ask the public to remain optimistic and patient as we plant and develop a new ecosystem that benefits everyone. 

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Anonymous's avatar

I saw that there were plans to close access to UP express access point from the rail path. Is that the case ? I’m assuming the existing GO platform access from the rail path will be closed in certain areas.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 8, 2022 - 19:53

What studies/standards have concluded that residences are safe in the event of a train derailment on this new track?

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 12:06

We are looking into this. Once we have more information we will let you know. 

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Anonymous's avatar

It appears that the recent work completed by City of Toronto on Bloor Street encased the pier footings of all bridge spans. Previously the new track’s span needed to be moved in order for the track to line up with the platform. Was this coordinates with the City’s work?

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 12:02

This is work completed by another contractor at street level. 

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Sep 8, 2022 - 19:59

Currently we only have part of the platform with canopy. Will this project also install canopy for the full length of the platform?

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Metrolinx
Sep 22, 2022 - 11:27

No, it will not. We are focused on the Railpath and new track only. 

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Anonymous's avatar

Are there diagrams that show in detail exactly where noise barriers will be installed, as well as the types of planned trees, shrubs, etc. that are supposed to be replanted?

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Metrolinx
Sep 21, 2022 - 16:21

The diagrams can be found in the presentation. The presentation can be accessed freely on this page, which is very exciting. Please scroll to the top of the page, click the play button and review the presentation. 

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