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Dundas Bus Rapid Transit Mississauga East Project Live Meeting – January 27, 2022

On January 27, 2022, Metrolinx hosted a virtual open house including speakers from our Dundas Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) Mississauga East Project Team. During the one-hour open house, we answered as many questions as possible about the Dundas BRT Mississauga East Project. Participants voted on questions and were particularly interested in hearing about traffic lane design, stops, construction and property impacts.

In case you missed the event, you may find a copy of the presentation as well as a link to the full recording below. We are committed to answering all questions received as part of the live event, and written answers to all questions will be posted at the bottom of this page.

If you are interested in learning more about the Dundas BRT project, visit Metrolinx Engage.

Agenda

6:30pm: Meeting Begins/ Opening Remarks

6:35pm: Dundas BRT Mississauga East Project Update

6:55pm: Questions and Answers

7:25pm: Wrap up and Closing Remarks

 

Meet the Speakers

Joseph Ehrlich

Joseph Ehrlich

Manager, Project Planning, Metrolinx

Darcy Wiltshire

Darcy Wiltshire

Environmental Project Manager, Metrolinx

Greg Medulun

Greg Medulun

Director Community Engagement, Metrolinx

Ann Marie Chung

Ann Marie Chung

Rapid Transit Sponsor, Metrolinx

Matthew Williams

Matthew Williams

Project Leader, City of Mississauga

Kevin Phillips, Project Manager, AECOM

Kevin Phillips

Project Manager, AECOM

Andrew Barr

Andrew Barr

Deputy Project Manager, AECOM

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Anonymous's avatar

Is it not being increasingly considered best practice to minimize the width of general purpose traffic lanes to limit traffic speed by design rather than posted speed limits and create a safer + more welcoming environment for pedestrians and cyclists?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:35

The corridor has been designed based on the design standards applicable to the municipality/road authority in which the Project will be constructed and operate within, in this case the City of Mississauga. As such, the City of Mississauga’s minimum 3.50m through-lane width has been applied. However, in locations where applying this minimum standard would result in undesired impacts, the City of Mississauga has accepted the use of a 3.35m through-lane width to mitigate or eliminate these impacts. Though other municipalities use a minimum lane width less than the City of Mississauga’s minimum standard, the project team will apply the standards applicable to the jurisdiction in which the Project will be constructed and operate.

Anonymous's avatar

Will there be median BRT lanes in the Mississauga West area, from Confederation Parkway to Ninth Line? The right of way is plenty wide with the exception of the Erindale Valley area. The right of way west of Fifth Line is wide enough to accommodate median BRT lanes.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:50

The Project Team will be identifying Dundas BRT stop and station locations in the future, as the study progresses. The City of Mississauga identified in the Dundas Connects Master Plan, a dedicated guideway extending beyond Cooksville through to The Credit Woodlands and a median guideway with a single lane, reversible through Erindale Valley. This is in recognition of constraints relating to environmental sensitivity, environmental heritage, and cultural heritage within that community. West of Mississauga Road and Erindale Village, it became a curbside BRT operation along the side of the street. A Transit Service and Optioneering study, leading to the development of a Transit Service Plan, will be conducted in the coming months and will confirm the type of guideway / facility proposed for implementation for the remainder of the Dundas BRT alignment, including Mississauga West and within the City of Toronto. The Transit Service Plan will also include proposed stop / station locations for the Mississauga West and Toronto segments.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:41

Due to the current condition of the structure, as well as the structure type, the current recommendation is for that structure (or at least the superstructure, which is visible above the ground) to be replaced with a wider cross section to accommodate the Dundas BRT, active transportation and enhanced boulevard in the area.

Anonymous's avatar

Why not consider having MiLocal and MiExpress buses share the median BRT lanes through Cooksville? This would make the widening less needed, because the buses would be relocated to the median lanes. It could potentially help save money to ensure the project will run to Confederation Parkway and beyond, as there's less risk of money running out. The difference might be that there have to be a couple more stations in Cooksville, and buses might be a tiny bit slower, but it would be better for residents to have stations closer to their homes.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:52

The Routing and Service Strategy and Operations are both workstreams that the Project Team is currently working on, which will be inputted into the broader Preliminary Design Business Case (PDBC) to be released in the future. The Project Team is looking at options along the entire corridor, including the consideration of a service overlay. We will share these details in future rounds of public engagement.

Anonymous's avatar

During the original Dundas Connects public engagement sessions, there was a plan to eliminate how Cawthra passes underneath Dundas. The plan was to return Cawthra to the same gradient as Dundas. Has that plan been overturned?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 17:08

The Dundas Connects study considered an alternative normalizing the existing Dundas Street/Cawthra Road intersection; however, due to significant constraints the final recommendation was to retain the current configuration but replace the bridge with a new bridge.Likewise, the Dundas BRT Project is not considering removing the grade separation at Cawthra Road and Dundas Street East at this time. The current recommendation is for the existing Cawthra Road bridge structure to be replaced with a wider bridge deck to accommodate the introduction of the BRT and active transportation facilities.

Anonymous's avatar

Did the planners and councillors and consultants consider starting the median lanes at The Credit Woodlands, where Dundas is 6 lanes wide, then running east? This would allow the median lanes to cover residential areas (Erindale-Woodlands, Brickyards, Cooksville, Dixie) and industrial areas (Mavis-Dundas, Stanfield) plus the commercial areas (Westdale Mall, Mavis-Dundas, Cooksville-Dixie). There are already HOV lanes east of Dixie.

I am worried that the cost of widening through the pinch point means that money will run out/the project will see cost overruns and the BRT median lanes won't have a phase 2. Cost overruns happen way too often with transit infrastructure projects, and there's nothing to suggest Dundas will be an exception.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:39

Currently, the implementation of the Dundas BRT is proposed for operation from Etobicoke Creek at the City of Toronto border through to Cooksville as it provides a connection to existing HOV lanes in Toronto. This is tied to Environmental Assessment processes and approvals, as well as funding commitments, which have not yet been acquired at this time.

There are six lanes east of The Credit Woodlands through a large portion of that segment past Mavis Road. It is not a straight-forward task to convert these lanes for a BRT guideway. In order to implement BRT in this area, construction and capital cost investment would still be required in order to construct the guideway and medians, BRT stops and platforms, install Transit Signal Priority (TSP) infrastructure, reconstruct boulevards, and relocate utilities, amongst others. This would require significant additional investment of which funding is not yet in place. Additional costs are not part of the City of Mississauga’s application for Federal Investing in Canada Infrastructure Program (ICIP) funding. The ICIP funding request is for the area between Etobicoke Creek to Cooksville (i.e., the Mississauga East segment) only. 

Anonymous's avatar

it be completed (based upon your best guess).

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:50

For most of the Dundas BRT corridor, no construction funding has been committed as of yet. The Environmental Assessment will evaluate and establish commitments required for the implementation of the Project. Metrolinx also intends to develop the preliminary design business case of the corridor which will help inform decisions related to the next stage of the project . In addition, the City of Mississauga has submitted an application to the Government of Canada for ICIP funding for the Mississauga East segment of the Dundas BRT corridor. The ICIP requires the Project be completed by 2027, so if funding is approved, construction on approved sections of the Mississauga East segment would occur between 2024 and 2027.

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Anonymous
Jan 27, 2022 - 19:19

What fare would the dundas BRT be under (Hamilton Street Railway, Miway, TTC). Or would we expect to see full fare integration by the time the project is complete?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:05

Fare service integration, as a separate stream of work, is occurring at Metrolinx. We recognize BRT’s cross municipal boundaries. Metrolinx is working toward an integrated fare system with our municipal partners.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 27, 2022 - 19:22

How will GO station connections at Dixie and Hurontario Street be made/provided? Will people be expected to walk the distance (around 8-10 minutes walk) or will buses go into the stations?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:50

Connections to transit and major destinations are being considered as part of the Routing and Service Plan for the Project, which is currently underway. The Initial Business Case (IBC) on the Project website shows preliminary routing and service concepts including the Dundas BRT service itself and services that connect customers to important destinations near the corridor (e.g., GO Stations, Square One). The Project Team is not just considering the Dundas BRT corridor itself and the services that will service the corridor, but also origins of major nearby destinations for customers that will be using the corridor.

Anonymous's avatar

for lost business, during the contruction?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:45

This Project is still in the preliminary study phase. Compensation plans for the Dundas BRT could be comparable to other Metrolinx projects such as the Eglinton Crosstown LRT. As we progress through each round of public engagement, these comments will be considered by the Project Team. As the Transit Project Assessment Process (TPAP) study continues, there will be more opportunities for dialogue. Business compensation decisions would likely take place much later in the study.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:40

The Transit Routing and Service Strategy, including identifying key linking nodes such as the UTM campus, is to be determined through the next phases of the study, and will be shared in future rounds of engagement.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 27, 2022 - 19:14

Too many people are against investment in transit. How do you deal with someone who lives on Dundas but behind an 8 foot wall, complaining about buses coming more frequently?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:58

Growth in our communities means that a reliable transportation system is needed to support the convenient and reliable movement of people as they travel from their homes for work and recreation. However, the Project is in the early TPAP phases, we encourage the community to share their input, feedback, concerns as we continue to work towards finalization of the Environmental Project Report.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:56

Correct; the VIVA BRT along Highway 7 in York Region is similar to the proposed Dundas BRT in that both left and U-turns are only permitted from the dedicated left turn lanes at signalized intersections.

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Anonymous
Jan 27, 2022 - 12:37

Will the bus lanes interfere with turning left into properties?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:41

With operation of the Dundas BRT and the presence of raised medians separating the BRT lanes from the general-purpose traffic lanes, entrances and side-streets will be right-in/right-out. The left turning movements will migrate to nearby signalized intersections. In order to accommodate a higher volume of left-turn and U-turn movements at the signalized intersections, extended left-turn signal times will be provided.

Anonymous's avatar

To promote jobs, economic and social inclusion for low income marginalized communities like Shalimar

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:40

It is integral to share the importance Metrolinx places on being active members of the community. Metrolinx now has a community relations office at the corner of Hurontario Street and Dundas Street where Metrolinx is integrated into the community of Peel. Metrolinx looks to gain community support for all of its projects. A great example of this is the Hurontario Light Rail Transit (LRT) project. Metrolinx has great existing partnerships which promote apprenticeships, training programs and opportunities. While the Dundas BRT Project still has a long way to go in terms of planning and operationalizing, a community benefits program and potential partnerships are something that will be examined closer to construction.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:56

For most of the Dundas BRT corridor, no construction funding has been committed as of yet. The Environmental Assessment will evaluate and establish commitments required for the implementation of the Project. Metrolinx also intends to develop the preliminary design business case of the corridor which will help inform decisions related to the next stage of the project .

In addition, the City of Mississauga has submitted an application to the Government of Canada for ICIP funding for the Mississauga East segment of the Dundas BRT corridor. The ICIP requires the Project be completed by 2027, so if funding is approved, construction on approved sections of the Mississauga East segment would occur between 2024 and 2027.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 17:00

The vehicle that will operate within the Dundas BRT infrastructure has not yet been determined. This will depend on a few factors including feedback from the public, routing, fleet requirements and service provider. There are ongoing future technology pilot projects within the region to test and evaluate the benefits, including MiWay participating in a hydrogen fuel cell electric bus pilot project. The scope of this study is to consider provisions for these future technologies to ensure that the infrastructure can accommodate these technologies in the future.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 27, 2022 - 19:08

Who will be involved in analyzing the situation for the birds, the archeological and heritage analysis?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:54

AECOM has completed technical environmental studies for the entire study area for Dundas BRT Mississauga East Project including: a Natural Environment Report which reviewed bird species present in the Dundas BRT corridor study area; a Stage 1 Archaeological Assessment; and a Cultural Heritage Report. The Stage 1 Archaeological Assessment recommended that a Stage 2 Archaeological Assessment be conducted during the Detailed Design phase.

The Cultural Heritage Report recommended that evaluation reports be undertaken for properties that may be directly impacted by the Project. A summary of the results of these studies for the Mississauga East segment is available on the Project website, along with existing environmental conditions, potential impacts and proposed mitigation measures, which the Project Team is requesting feedback on from the public. Comments can be provided on the Metrolinx Engage website, for inclusion in the Environmental Project Report (EPR) until February 1, 2022. The full detailed impact/mitigation tables and the environmental study reports will be made available as part of the EPR, which will be posted to the Project website on February 23, 2022 and made available for review and comment until March 25, 2022 as part of the 30-day public review period. Comments / questions about the EPR can be directed to Metrolinx and any objections can be submitted to the Minister of the Environment.

Anonymous's avatar

Platforms are only shown on one side at major intersections in the cross sections?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:46

Referring to the Dundas BRT stop rendering on slide 35 of the presentation, there are platforms shown on both sides of the intersection, which is what we would recommend for each Dundas BRT stop location. Using the Hurontario LRT as an example, at Dundas Street the stop for both the northbound and southbound directions is located at the south side of the intersection in the form of a shared or common platform. For the Dundas BRT, stops will be on both sides of the intersection, similarly to how stops are designed for the VIVA near Highway 7 in York Region and Davis Drive in the Newmarket area.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:58

Dundas Street does provide access to businesses in the area, which require delivery from transport trucks, but it is not considered a heavily travelled route for transports. This relates to the issue of lane width, as 3.5m lanes provide more maneuvering space for oversized vehicles, including trucks and buses. In locations where applying the minimum 3.5m standard would result in undesired impacts, the City of Mississauga has accepted the use of a 3.35m through-lane width to mitigate or eliminate these impacts. Local buses would use the curbside lane (3.5 m) as they are considered oversized vehicles. Oversized vehicle accommodation is reflected in the Dundas BRT design plans.

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Anonymous
Jan 27, 2022 - 19:20

Following up on Matthew's comment on timing; Mississauga leadership should be commended on being very adept on gaining provincial and federal support for major projects within the limited timeframes provided; kudos!!!

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:49

Thank you for your comments and your interest in the proposed Dundas Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) Project.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:53

There are eight stops that have been identified for the Mississauga East segment of the Dundas BRT corridor. The placement of stops is based on providing for wider spacing compared to local bus service. Local bus service stop spacing tends to be every 240 to 250m. In order to maintain its efficiency, BRT stops are spaced further apart so the buses don’t stop as often, resulting in travel time savings.

Going from west to east, through the Cooksville area (Mississauga East), currently we are proposing stops at Confederation Parkway, Hurontario Street, the Kirwin Avenue / Camilla Road intersection, the Grenville Drive / Cliff Road intersection, Cawthra Road, Tomken Road, Dixie Road, and Warton Way.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 27, 2022 - 19:13

How do you plan to educate drivers in regards to the left hand turn lanes and the use of U Turns. Mississaugans are NOT used to this and am concerned with driver and pedestrian safety?

How are small businesses being dealt with during construction? We have seen the problems and failure of small businesses due to construction in Toronto on streets like Eglinton and St. Clair
.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:47

Public education strategies will be part of the deliverability and implementation planning to be completed in the future. The Project Implementation Plan will include road and way-finding signage, educational signage and materials, and advanced notices of the Dundas BRT Project.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:48

At this point in time, the procurement mechanism has not been determined for the entire corridor. Funding for delivery has yet to be decided. This will be considered later in the Project.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 17:05

There are a lot of factors that go into determining the appropriate vehicle / mode of transit to use, which varies by project. Metrolinx uses the Regional Transportation Plan (RTP) as a guide for this study, which is available for review on the Metrolinx website. The RTP tends to make high-level recommendations for various corridors based on factors such as the nature of corridor and projected ridership. For this Project, we are considering BRT due to the nature of the ROW, the flexibility BRT allows when operating across a 48-km corridor, and connections to destinations near the corridor.

Anonymous's avatar

Dundas BRT riders should not be exposed to splashing from cars or buses and station canopies should protect the platforms. Platforms should be built with snow melting systems to reduce salt use for melting snow, especially in areas where the BRT crosses sensitive watersheds like Etobicoke Creek, Little Etobicoke Creek, and Cooksville Creek in Mississauga East, and Mary Fix Creek, the Credit River and Sheridan Creek in Mississauga West).

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:52

Stations and stops will be designed based upon the framework provided by the Metrolinx’s Design Excellence Program. Amenities such as climate protection / enclosures PRESTO fare collection, next-bus information, seating, and waste receptacles are being considered for Dundas BRT stations and stops. Stops will also be designed to reflect community / cultural features of each neighbourhood.

Additionally, Metrolinx has a sustainable design standard for all new construction of Metrolinx facilities. One of the sustainability goals includes monitoring salt use to ensure that it is not being used more than needed. As mentioned, too much salt can negatively impact the natural environment.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 27, 2022 - 18:39

Will the BRT use electric vehicles such as battery electric buses or trolley buses?

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 15:55

Vehicle selection for the Dundas BRT will depend on public feedback, routing of services, fleet requirements and the service provider. However, a number of studies / pilot projects are taking place within the region to test and evaluate benefits, including the City of Mississauga’s MiWay, which is participating in a hydrogen fuel cell electric bus project. The scope of this study is to conserve provisions for these future technologies to ensure that the infrastructure is able to accommodate these technologies. The Project Team is going to protect and not preclude the use of future electric bus technology.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:58

Land value uplift is of interest to Metrolinx and has been looked into for some projects. At this time, we have not evaluated land value uplift for the Dundas BRT Project but Metrolinx is taking this into consideration.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:59

Although both the St. Clair Avenue and Spadina Avenue ROW’s in the City of Toronto provide for a dedicated median transit guideway and two general-purpose traffic lanes per direction, which is similar to the Dundas BRT, there are also a number of differences. St. Clair and Spadina feature a raised streetcar platform with rails and overhead catenary for electrical power service, whereas the Dundas BRT will feature buses and a central median. The Dundas BRT will also feature larger transit stops and dedicated cycling facilities in comparison to both St. Clair and Spadina; and enhanced streetscaping and furniture/pole zones where possible along the corridor in comparison to St. Clair.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 16:56

The Dundas BRT lane design is relatively similar to that of the VIVA BRT. In addition, stops for the Dundas BRT will be located on both sides of intersections, generally how stops are located for the VIVA near Highway 7 in York Region and Davis Drive in the Newmarket area. The branding and stop design have yet to be considered.

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Metrolinx
Feb 9, 2022 - 17:09

A westerly extension of Line 2 (Bloor-Danforth) Subway is not proposed within the Metrolinx 2041 Regional Transportation Plan.