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Dufferin/Queen West

Criteria

Many considerations factor into the assessment of new sites including:

Connectivity and Ridership Drivers

  • How many trips will start and end at this station?
  • Does the station connect to other transit lines and have the potential to improve service?
  • Does the station connect to key destinations?

Travel Time Savings

  • What are the time savings associated with the new station?

Market Potential

  • How well situated is the station in relationship to future market demand?

Development Potential

  • Can the station support future development and intensification?

Policy Alignment

  • Does the Station Area conform to Regional land use policy?

Construction Affordability

  • What is the cost to construct the station?

Ease of Construction

  • Can the required facilities be constructed in this location?

Dufferin/Queen West

This station has been evaluated as follows:

  • High: Market potential, development potential, policy alignment.
  • Medium: Connectivity and ridership, travel time and savings, ease of construction.
  • Low: Construction affordability.

What are your thoughts on this analysis? Have we missed anything?

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innsertnamehere_1757's avatar
Mar 3, 2016 - 19:24

How about a platform roughly between the two stops being considered here? As GO platforms are quite long, one side could serve Queen Street and the other could serve Liberty Village.

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Parkdale Phil
Mar 3, 2016 - 23:30

This is a great location. For local residents, it serves people coming from two arteries, Dufferin and Queen, and from multiple neighborhoods: Parkdale, Little Portugal, and the new condos between Queen and King.
At the same time, this location is also a cultural and entertainment destination for riders coming from elsewhere.

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Franky's avatar
Mar 4, 2016 - 11:11

Out of the many stops in this exercise, this station is in an area in high need for better transit. Both the Dufferin and Queen routes are among the highest for the TTC and this connection would provide better connectivity to the rest of the city for residents along those lines. Dufferin and Queen is also near the explosion of new condo development which is more reason for this stop.

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sgha.heavy.industries_491
Mar 4, 2016 - 11:54

This should be a no brainer if integrated properly with the 501/504 streetcars, and 29 bus, it would take A LOT of pressure of the system. Great idea, I think multiple GO lines run through there too. It would get much higher daily usage than Exhibition GO.

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Will's avatar
Mar 4, 2016 - 14:59

I don't need to say much because most people are in favour of this stop. This one seems to be a no brainer, especially since the western portion of the Relief Line is nowhere in sight. I don't live in downtown toronto and I can see the value of this stop.

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A Q's avatar
Mar 17, 2016 - 13:17

Queen West is in need of a station with rapid condo development from Ossington to Dufferin not yet reached full capacity with more condos coming. With 3 GO lines + Smartrack + UP Express + potential Downtown Relief Line from City Hall this could become a west end hub with opportunities to travel to other parts of city, not just downtown since the DLR will not connect at Union Station .

Queen West is going thru a revitilization and a social venue after hours so would have regular non peak traffic too. Could also help redevelop Parkdale to the west. Smartrack does not have a station south of Bloor until Liberty village (so not very 'smart'!) and does not help people in the southwest. This could be a branch off station for the Queen streetcar and the many condos on Lakeshore West/Humber.

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ktunio's avatar
Mar 21, 2016 - 20:20

Provides missing GO transit connectivity between north line and west line.

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robmausser's avatar
Mar 28, 2016 - 16:41

Perhaps have Barrie Trains stop at Queen/Dufferin, and Kitchener Line trains stop at Liberty.

This way both stations can get built but not be so close together for a single train to service both stations.

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Andrew's avatar
Apr 5, 2016 - 22:55

I can't really say which would be preferable, but having a stop in at least one of these locations would make a lot of sense. But, I don't know how many riders who live in Barrie or Milton would exit at either of these locations. I think it would be used primarily by local commuters rather than by those coming from out of town. Basically by people living near these locations to get to and from downtown. Which, I think is great. I don't think GO should be exclusively for longer commutes. In these locations it would function like transit. The King and Queen streetcars are over capacity during rush hours and this could help to alleviate that (and hopefully speed up travel time which can be extremely slow). Cost, however, would have to be similar to TTC and/or fares would have to be somewhat integrated with TTC.

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A Q's avatar
Apr 8, 2016 - 14:32

its not a question of either/or. We need both stations
Liberty Village has its own issues on King West for density and crowded development
Queen West has its own issues of spillover development now that Liberty is past capacity.

In addition all the Lakeshore West condos by the Humber loop use the Queen streetcar. A Liberty village stop would be no use to Humber Bay residents as they would have to transfer twice to get to the station and there is no planned Smarttrack stop on Queen West.

The Queen West station would provide branch off relief to all the Lakeshore/Humber residents, half the journey time, and have greater capacity then streetcars can handle. This is in addition to any planned Park Lawn station since the Humber Bay has exploded way past capacity so needs multiple options to relieve pressure for a much longer journey time and distance. The condos are spread from Legion Rd to Ellis Ave and Park Lawn would only serve the condos west of Humber Loop so the Queensway condos need to be able to transfer at Queen West.

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robmausser's avatar
Apr 8, 2016 - 14:44

Absolutely both stations would be an asset to the area.

We can also have alternate GO-RER lines service each station. Kitchener RER stops at Liberty, and Barrie RER stops at Queen/Dufferin.

That way you don't have one train making too many stops in one area too close together.

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Mathieca's avatar

I understand that the TTC has failed this area completely. It was bad when I used to live there over 10 years ago but that shouldn't impact the commute of those already using the GO train. The Milton line only runs into Union in the morning and out of Union in the afternoon commute. There aren't any plans for two way travel at this time. This plan would add another 5 minutes each way everyone else commute so how many people can take the GO instead of TTC to this stop? It may not sound like much but that can mean almost an hour of commuting time a week to people already using the line. That adds up over the year. Until the train can be sped up there won't be much support for this among existing users especially with all the construction we've been through for UPX and are going through with Union Station.

There is an existing GO station at Exhibition Place. I know it's awkward to get to for those who live north of King Street because of the state of the bridge that you need to cross under to get from Sudbury Street to Atlantic Avenue but it's not that long of a walk down Atlantic to the station (where you can also catch the TTC to Union Station). I can't figure out why the construction being done at the Exhibition GO station is taking so long.. must be the same slow contractor who is working on Union Station.

Looking at the track in this area and Liberty Village I don't see how you can create a platform wide enough for it to be safe. There would have to be construction to get people from the track to either Queen or Dufferin which means tunneling. Any platform has to be handicap accessible so that would also include installing an elevator. None of this will be cheap which is why the construction costs are an issue.

I'd also be curious to know if the new buildings in the area were assessed a GO levy like every new build in Mississauga is. If so then there should be a pool of money to build this expensive station judging from the number of buildings that are occupied or under construction. If not, then a levy should be imposed on all units built in the last 10 years. The city knew transit was a problem in that area but they just kept approving building permits so it's the city that should have to clean up this mess not Metrolinx. John Tory should have asked GO riders about his Smart Track plan before suggesting that that rails could be used to get Toronto commuters around faster.

Also all GO fares are based on distance so any fare from this location should not be a TTC fare but a GO fare. It's time the TTC had integrated fares with GO like the rest of the GTA. If you take the GO and then the TTC from Union you should be charge something like $1.50 instead of the fare currently being charged (it's also time the TTC went to zone fares). GO passengers who take the TTC have been paying full fare for years but now that TTC passengers want to take the GO it's suddenly an unfair payment system. Any fare integration could be easily handled by PRESTO which should have been implemented on the TTC years ago.

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robmausser's avatar
Apr 6, 2016 - 22:32

Matheica, you are misinformed on some things.

Firstly, the people coming from out of the 905, from Milton, etc wouldnt be affected by these stations. These new stations will be served by GO-RER, electric trains that operate every 15 minutes all day, every day within the Inner GTA (905) region.

People coming from out of town will actually benefit from this: their diesel bilevel trains will skip all of the stations being served by the electric trains downtown. Thus creating even faster express service for those out of town. If someone wants to get to a station in this inner GTA area from out of town, they will transfer from the big bilevel go trains at the last station served by their train and onto a GO-RER electric Train.

But getting to Union will actually be sped up for these people, not slowed down.

Here is the info on GO-RER: http://www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalplanning/rer/

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