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Anonymous's avatar
Nov 16, 2020 - 20:06

My question (more of a concern than a question) is with regard to the design for the BRT Stops. I am concerned that level boarding platforms for buses while may seem great for accessibility may not be better than a kneeling bus or ramp deployment. The reason that I say this is that in many instances where level boarding platforms has been implemented using low floor buses it has required the vehicles to slow down to a crawl in order to properly dock with the level platform.

Also the Durham Region Stops are proposed to have platforms that will be fully enclosed and require buses to align their doors to the same place at each stop, this may also require buses to crawl through stations. This proposal may also limit future fleet expansion as the doors from one vehicle manufacturer may not be completely aligned with the doors or another vehicle manufacturer (Novabus LFS Artic vs. the New Flyer XD60 do not have the same door placements). In addition to this in wet, icy or snowy conditions buses may have even more trouble aligning the doors.

Anonymous's avatar
Nov 17, 2020 - 13:00

Looking at the official stop placement, it seems like there isn't a stop located at Rouge Park between Port Union and Altoma. Is there any chance for a stop to be added at this location?

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This stretch of Kingston Road along the Historic Pickering Village will be severely impacted on a number of fronts. 1) A dedicated BRT lane will drastically reduce the number of vehicle lanes and will significantly increase the time it takes for vehicles to transit through this area. Recognizing that this is a mixed residential and commercial, the impact for residences in this area will be significant. Morning and evening traffic is already extremely heavy. This proposed change will only make things worst. 2) Church/Kingston intersection is prone to frequent collisions. The proximity of Pickering High School and the challenging visibility due to heritage buildings are contributing factors here. Adding a bus stop in the middle of Kingston Road at Church St will introduce major safety concerns with the proposed U-turn if dedicated middle lanes are introduced into this area. 3) The proposed "modern" visual design of the bus stops does not align to the visual character of this historic area. All in all, this is not a favourable plan for this part of Ajax.

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Anonymous
Nov 17, 2020 - 21:23

Will stations have heated enclosures like the Viva stations in York Region do? It's a great benefit in the winter months given our climate.

Anonymous's avatar
Nov 20, 2020 - 09:17

Thank you for the opportunity to learn. The Scarborough Community Renewal Organization (SCRO) is in the process of putting the information centre notice on our web page and sending out the Notice of PIC 3 through our newsletter.

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Anonymous
Nov 20, 2020 - 23:25

As a person who lives right next to York Region’s vivanext bus lanes, it looks like a big waste for them to just sit there with the next bus scheduling to come fifteen minutes later. If the frequency is fifteen minutes per bus: is there a possibility for Metrolinx to do the same thing as the HOV lanes and give some drivers a permit to use the bus lane when buses are not using it?

Daniel's avatar
Nov 25, 2020 - 19:00

Hi!

I am concerned about the design of the stations for this project. While I am not against contemporary designs, these preliminary designs look very cheap and uninteresting. I don't think IBI should be the architect for these stations, since they usually do the bare minimum for their projects. Some things that could help is the use of colour, different materials (ex. better metals, wood, brick), shapes (not just a boxy station), ambient lighting, more attractive fencing & barriers, good paving, and other strategies that would improve the customer experience and create a sense of place (with a memorable design). Viva's BRT stations (even if they're not perfect) in York Region are an example of stations that have a memorable design that creates identity and branding.

Also, I think the side of each station that is adjacent to regular traffic should be fully covered in glass (along the entire station) to create an enjoyable experience for transit users. Doing this would reduce unpleasant noises from cars and trucks, and protect people from extreme weather and water splashes from the road.

Thank you for considering my comments!

Anonymous's avatar
Nov 28, 2020 - 16:18

The closed in design of the stops in Durham seem to just be a bad design all around, for many of the reasons already stated and many more. How will plows clear the snow properly in the winter? Where does the snowbank go? Will the doorways get shovelled, and if so will this design facilitate that easily? With the winter in mind, how can these stops be heated and/or be made to keep the people waiting comfortable? Why does the roof stop at the curb, and not extend further out to protect those boarding the bus?

All around this design seems to be some artists wild dream, with no real thought about the day-to-day operations of a BRT.