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Scarborough Subway Extension - Fall/Winter 2020 - Ask-a-Question

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Anonymous's avatar
Dec 15, 2020 - 06:17

Given the recent Eglinton East announcement by the City of Toronto, you should investigate building a tunnel portal for the Eglinton East around Kennedy station as part of the Subway tunnel/Subway turn back construction. This would prevent the road/area being dug up twice for two projects, and save the taxpayer time and money in the long run!

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 14, 2020 - 10:25

I would like to share my proposed names for the stations on this project: “Bendale” for the station at McCowan and Lawrence, “Scarborough Centre” for the station at Scarborough City Centre, and “Farquharson” for the station at Sheppard and McCowan.

Metrolinx's avatar
Dec 17, 2020 - 14:48

Thank you for your feedback and the great suggestions. The names currently being used to reference the stations are not final. There will be an opportunity in the future for the community to provide input on station names. 

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 15, 2020 - 06:25

Given the delay in this project due to the change from 1 stop to 3 stop subway, will you be making a financial contribution towards the Scarborough SRT replacement with buses? A temporary bus terminal at Scarborough Centre and Kennedy could also assist with the replacement bus services due to the shutdown of the SRT.

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 15, 2020 - 06:21

There's been no information provided regarding local and regional connections - will bus loops be provided at stations? Are 905 transit services/GO Transit connections being considered at stations? Is Sheppard station being future proofed for the Sheppard subway in future?

Metrolinx's avatar
Dec 18, 2020 - 09:37

Thank you for your question. 

Yes, connections to regional transit providers are being accomodated, and this project will protect for future expansion considerations including the proposed Sheppard subway.  

There will also be local TTC bus connections at every stop along the extension. More detailed information about routes and schedules will be released by the TTC in the future. 

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 12, 2020 - 15:46

With the recent announcement that the SRT may not survive until this subway extension is completed, it is imperative that we construct this as fast as possible. That means doing as much work concurrently - something that is not possible with TBM deep bore tunneling. It also means using techniques that are more readily available locally. All this points to using cut-and-cover construction - not to mention the lower cost that can be expected.

So if cut-and-cover was used, all station construction be be started right at the beginning. With this shallow construction method, it may even make a station at Brimley/Eglinton cost effective. One construction project could be for the Eglinton portion. Another could be for McCowan road to Lawrence. The next could be a bridge over Highland Creek. The next cut-and-cover construction to STC. The next could be a tunnel under 401 - with similar methodologies to those use for GO RER in the Kipling/409 area. The next would be from north of 401 to the Sheppard tail tracks. The last (optional), would be from CPR, along the north edge of tracks, to Finch/Markham Road, along with a station there. These 7 projects could be going concurrently - either with conventional tendering and multiple contractors, or under a single contract with multiple sub-contractors.

Not only would there be likely cost savings by abandoning the TBM methodology, this would also allow construction to be completed much faster - instead of having to sit around waiting for years for the TMB to finish before station construction can begin. This type of construction is much more conventional, and numerous local contractors have the ability to bid on and do this work, ensuring adequate labour to complete the project on time.
By modifying the tendering documents to allow the above - with some scoring system for the merits of their proposal, cost, disruption, speed of construction, Metrolinx can ensure that the optimal project is chosen that minimizes the possibility that SRT shutdown will occur, and force buses from STC at the same time that the road network is strained due to lengthy and disruptive deep station construction.

Metrolinx's avatar
Dec 17, 2020 - 14:42

Thank you for your comments and suggestions.  

As you may already be aware, Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario have already begun procurement activities for the Scarborough Subway Extension. To keep the project moving forward as quickly as possible, tunnelling will begin first. 

We are aiming to begin tunnel construction as early as next year and construction for all other aspects in spring 2023. A separate contract for the project will be issued in the future for building the stations, fitting out the tunnel and installing and commissioning the systems to put the subway in service. 

As part of that contract, Metrolinx will prescribe the requirements for building stations, however the means and methods of construction to deliver what is required is up to the winning bidder(s). Delaying or making changes to the procurement of the project could also mean further delays to the construction and operation of the extension. 

Metrolinx is also committed to advancing discussions with the City of Toronto and the TTC to better understand what options and alternatives they may need to put in place to keep people moving, quickly and easily when the Scarborough RT is decommissioned. Getting the Scarborough Subway Extension built as quickly as possible remains a top priority for Metrolinx and transit riders in Toronto. We know how important it is to ensure the people of Scarborough have access to rapid transit. 

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 12, 2020 - 13:57

There should be a link to the questions that were asked previous to this round.

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Metrolinx
Dec 17, 2020 - 10:12

Thank you for your question. Response to the previous spring/summer virtual engagement can be found here:

https://www.metrolinxengage.com/en/content/ask-question-scarborough-subw...

For future reference all old engagements can be referenced under the "closed" heading

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 15, 2020 - 14:34

You should also build the tunnel for the Eglinton East LRT as part of the SSE project.

Metrolinx's avatar
Dec 17, 2020 - 14:57

Thank you for your suggestion. Currently, Metrolinx is only advancing design and procurement for the three-stop Scarborough Subway Extension. 

The recently updated 2020 Scarborough Subway Extension Environmental Project Report (EPR) addendum was completed to address the changes to the 2017 EPR by the City of Toronto and TTC, to reflect the 2019 announcement by the Government of Ontario to oversee the project and extend TTC’s Line 2 subway service nearly eight kilometres further into Scarborough. 

 At that time Metrolinx received clear direction in the provincial budget and the project has been optimized to fit within its ~$5.5B budget. 

Anonymous's avatar
Dec 10, 2020 - 12:35

Now that the station at Scarborough Centre has been moved further to the east, would people have to walk outside in order to get into the mall? Scarborough City Centre isn't exactly a walkable area.

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Anonymous
Dec 10, 2020 - 11:12

Waste of money. This should've been an LRT. Now the Ford's are keeping us Scarborough riders on the bus for the next three years.

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Metrolinx
Dec 17, 2020 - 14:32

Hi, thanks for your feedback. 

Metrolinx understands the need for more transit options in Scarborough and the solution is the three-stop subway extension that was announced in the 2019 budget.  

The extension of Line 2 will provide seamless travel for Scarborough residents heading into and out of the downtown core by eliminating the need to transfer at Kennedy Station. There are proposed stops at Lawrence Avenue and McCowan Road, Scarborough Centre and McCowan Road and Sheppard Avenue. 

Metrolinx is committed to advancing discussions with the City of Toronto and the TTC to better understand what options and alternatives they may need to put in place to keep people moving, quickly and easily when the Scarborough RT is decommissioned. Getting the Scarborough Subway Extension built as quickly as possible remains a top priority for Metrolinx and transit riders in Toronto. We know how important it is to ensure the people of Scarborough have access to rapid transit.