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Virtual Open House - Finch West LRT

Metrolinx open houses are an opportunity to get project updates, to learn more about a specific topic of interest to you, and to ask general questions. As we temporarily shift to virtual open houses, find below a video version of this spring’s open house presentation. You can also download the presentation PDF by clicking the yellow button.

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 15:36

Yes, there will be bike lanes along the route. These bike lanes will be elevated from the road (similar to the bike lanes used on Sherbourne Street). This will provide a buffer from adjacent traffic. Bike lanes will be 2.1 metres, while the Multi Use Path (MUP) will be 3.5 metres of shared space. The MUP will be on the south side of Finch Ave. West between Weston Road and Norfinch Drive.

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Anonymous
May 14, 2020 - 03:46

Will Line 6 be utilizing Alstom LRV vehicles? How many LRVs will be procured for Line 6?

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:21

Yes, 18 Alstom vehicles will be used for the Finch West LRT.

Anonymous's avatar
May 19, 2020 - 18:39

Hello,

From the renderings it looks like the tactile plates (located along the edge of the concrete where riders would board the train) for Finch West LRT Street Stops will be painted yellow -this is very good! Along Highway 7 on the new Viva busway stops, the tactile plates were not painted and the plates have rusted and made those brand new stations looks extremely ugly in a short period of time. Please keep these tactile plates painted. Aside from aesthetics, the yellow stands out more and can help those visually impaired. Keep up the great work!

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 15:26

Thanks for the recommendation. We have passed this on to our project team for consideration. And thanks for the kudos!

Anonymous's avatar

A bike repair shop at each end and at busy points like Keele and Finch could do a lot to encourage BiTiBi (bicycling at each end and transit in the middle of the trip).

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 15:41

There will be bike lanes along the route. These bike lanes will be elevated from the road (similar to the bike lanes used on Sherbourne Street) this will provide a buffer from adjacent traffic. Bikelanes will be 2.1 metres, while the Multi Use Path (MUP) will be 3.5 metres of shared space. The MUP will be on the south side of Finch Ave. West between Weston Road and Norfinch Drive. There are no plans to have bike repair shops on the Finch West Light Rail Transit project.

Anonymous's avatar

Previous open houses have mentioned integrated public art.
In the Eglinton Crosstown - public art is located at major stations. In this project, that would be Humber College and Finch West.
Is this the case - or will artwork be throughout the corridor (like on St Clair)? Do you have any information on a "call for artists" or what the artwork could entail?
I'd personally prefer the money to be spent across the corridor - using local artists at each stop.

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Metrolinx
May 19, 2020 - 14:33

Metrolinx no longer has a formal integrated art program. Rather, it is prioritizing the infrastructure needed, giving more communities transit they need while making taxpayer dollars go further. That being said we do, however, continue to partner with local artists during the construction phase of the project. In 2019, we collaborated with Etobicoke Arts and local artists in the community on a massive mural project called Augmented Representations: The North Etobicoke Mural Project in partnership with Mural Routes, The STEPS Initiative and Womxn Paint. This project was part of StreetARToronto’s Partnership Program and a Signature project of Cultural Hotspot, produced in partnership with the City of Toronto. Each mural is inspired by the theme “Natural Resiliency” and is distinct yet connected and blends the voices of community members. It spans 576 feet along Finch Avenue West between Kipling and Islington.

Anonymous's avatar
May 15, 2020 - 02:13

Why hasn’t there been any negotiations with the city over signal priority? Why is signal priority not being pursued, when it is critical to achieving effective rapid transit?

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Metrolinx
May 15, 2020 - 12:34

Traffic Signal Priority and optimized traffic signal timings have been reviewed and approved by the City already, in the effort to maximize the FWLRT operations along the entire corridor involving all 24 intersections.

Anonymous's avatar
May 15, 2020 - 22:05

Noticed your responses to traffic signal priority are different. This was your response: Traffic Signal Priority and optimized traffic signal timings have been reviewed and approved by the City already in the effort to maximize the FWLRT operations along the entire corridor involving all 24 intersections.'' But you also said there's no signal priority on Finch. Is there or is there not once and for all? And if there is traffic signal priority, will it be the same on Eglinton?

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 16:16

Traffic Signal Priority (TSP) function will be implemented for all 24 intersection along the Finch West Light Rail Transit (FWLRT) guideway. Direct Signaling and Train Control System interface to traffic controllers will be implemented for the TSP function. There will be 3 different types of signals at each signalized intersection: pedestrian signals, traffic signals for road vehicles and transit signals. In general, light rail vehicles will follow the transit signals specifically for FWLRT vehicles.

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:17

Updated on May 20th at 1:02 p.m.

Although the 2010 Environmental Assessment (EA) for the Finch West LRT Project includes plans for an extension to Finch Station, at this time, this extension is unfunded.

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 09:54

A total of 15 Light Rail Vehicles (LRV) will be operating during both morning and afternoon peak hours, with 5 minutes in between trains (also known as "5- minute headway").  During off-peak hours, there will be 7 to 10 minutes between trains, with 8 to 10 trains in operation.

Anonymous's avatar
May 20, 2020 - 14:19

Currently the site of the Finch LRT station is also a site intended for affordable housing to be built. How will metrolinx prioritize necessary affordable housing as they proceed with LRT construction?

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Metrolinx
May 21, 2020 - 11:31

The decision rest with the City, as it is a City initiative. The station work is expected to be complete in 2023.

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Will riders be able to transfer between the Finch West LRT and the Line 1 subway (and vice versa) with a transfer (without paying a separate fare) or will a double fare be needed?

Thank you for all the work and commitment going into creating a world-class transport network throughout the GTA.

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 14:07

Yes, riders will be able to transfer to the Finch West LRT and the Line 1 subway service and vice versa free of charge without paying an additional fare. Thank you for the compliment! We are proud of the work we are doing on the Finch West LRT and other Metrolinx projects to bring world class transportation to the Greater Toronto and Golden Horseshoe area.

Anonymous's avatar
May 14, 2020 - 03:43

Are there plans or preliminary studies/designs for an extension east of Finch West Station towards Finch Station on Line 1?

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:21

Updated on May 20th at 1:01 p.m.

Although the 2010 Environmental Assessment (EA) for the Finch West LRT Project includes plans for an extension to Finch Station, at this time, this extension is unfunded.

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 10:05

Please take a look at the Humber College stop rendering below. Passengers will enter through one of two entrance buildings located on the plaza before transitioning to the platform.

The platform design shares many of the same elements and characteristics of the other stops along the alignment. This consistent approach to design will enhance the customer experience. The platform has several canopies that will provide weather protection but will also allow natural light to create a quiet sanctuary for both arriving and departing passengers.

Please note - the final design is still under development and there may be some minor variances to what is shown in the supplied image.

Daniel's avatar
May 15, 2020 - 13:10

Hi! I appreciate that Metrolinx shared the renderings with us, but I was wondering if the architecture can be improved. It seems that there was more care put into the Crosstown project. Could you please pass this along to the project team? Thanks!

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Metrolinx
May 19, 2020 - 13:29

Thanks for your comment, it has been shared with the project team. These renderings are for illustrative purposes and are subject to change.

Anonymous's avatar

Will they have the grey blue-yellow moquettes we've seen in the mock-up LRVs or will they remain consistent with the TTC's Red–Regular, Blue-Priority pattern we're used to on the TTC's Streetcars, subways and buses?

If we're keeping the moquette's we seen already, will the new LRV have priority seating at all?

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:09

The seat fabric on the Alstom LRV mock-up is the same as will be in the production vehicles and will look similar to what was featured in the Alstom LRV renderings. The LRV will also have 4 mobility aid locations per Vehicle as well as a number of priority seats.   

Anonymous's avatar

Just wondering which manufacture of the vehicles will they be thank you great work your doing so far

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 15:58

 

Thank you for your positive feedback. Yes, there will be videos of the Light Rail Vehicles (LRVs) coming in the future. You can also read our blog here - highlighting the LRV mock up at summer festivals last year. The LRVs will be manufactured by Alstom Canada at the Alstom plant located in Brampton, Ontario.

 

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Did the original subway station design consider the LRT? Or is the station built in 2017 being rebuilt?

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Metrolinx
May 15, 2020 - 12:39

Yes, the original TTC subway station design considered the Finch West LRT design. The LRT station is currently being designed on the southeast corner of Finch Ave. W. and Keele St. using a cut and cover method. There will be a connection to address smooth interchange between the LRT and Subway.

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:16

Update on May 20th at 1:00 p.m.

An LRT was chosen for Finch Ave. W. due to the lower density across the corridor. The Finch West LRT currently has plans for expansion as noted in the 2010 Environmental Assessment (EA), but at this time, the extension is unfunded.

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 14:37

It is anticipated that work will start in this area in Fall 2020 and will continue for up to two years.

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Metrolinx
May 15, 2020 - 12:41

Although the 2010 Environmental Assessment (EA) for the Finch West LRT Project includes plans for an extension to Woodbine and Pearson, at this time, this extension is unfunded.

Anonymous's avatar
May 14, 2020 - 14:02

On page 6 the linked presentation PDF (under social benefits), it's stated that there will be 8 LRTs every hour at peak times. Assuming this is per direction, that works out to to 7.5 minute headways. However, in a response to another question, it's stated that the LRT will operate on 5 minute peak headways, which would work out to 12 LRV per hour per direction.

Obviously I, and I think most people would prefer 5 minute headways so which option should we expect to happen?

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:33

The minimum headway (minimum time between vehicles) during rush hour is currently set at 5 minutes with 15 vehicles.

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Anonymous
May 19, 2020 - 10:21

Would the COVID-19 pandemic negatively impact the construction of the Finch West LRT? In other words, how would the COVID-19 pandemic affect the construction? Would it cause the date of the opening of the Finch West LRT to be moved to a different date?

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 14:39

At this point, work on our construction sites is moving forward as planned. This was confirmed by the Premier. However, there is a clear expectation for our contractors to ensure the health and safety of all of their workers and if that cannot be guaranteed work must immediately cease. We are closely to monitor the working conditions of all construction sites. Both Metrolinx and our contractor are working proactively to adapt the worksites to protect the health and safety of workers as we continue to build this important project. 

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Anonymous
May 14, 2020 - 10:51

Will the LRT have full signal priority? Also, I'm sure you guys at Metrolinx have heard about the troubles with the Alstom LRVs in Ottawa. Are the Alstom LRVs really a good choice for the Finch West LRT?

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:24

Updated on May 19th at 3:30 p.m.

There will be 3 different types of signals at each signalized intersection: pedestrian signals, traffic signals for road vehicles and transit signals. In general, light rail vehicles will follow the transit signals specifically for FWLRT vehicles. We are taking precautions at this time along with Alstom in order to prepare for any issues that may occur during operation.

Anonymous's avatar
May 13, 2020 - 13:04

Hi,
I was wondering if these are the final designs for the project? They are very simplistic and don't seem to follow the same design excellence principles that were used for the Eglinton Crosstown. The stations could use better architecture.

I was also wondering about the wayfinding. The renderings show that the new Metrolinx Wayfinding standard wasn't applied properly and the signage looks like it wasn't well thought out.

Finally, will there be full signal priority for the project? I was disappointed to learn that the Crosstown won't due to the city's restrictions.

Thank you!

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:05

Updated on May 20th at 12:53 p.m.

The drawings are interpretative only. The Finch West station, which achieved 100% design completion recently, was designed to meet Metrolinx design principles. The Humber College stop is at 90% design completion and is also being designed to meet Metrolinx's design standards. Closer to operation, you'll see the appropriate wayfinding standards being applied to the project. Also, there will be 3 different types of signals at each signalized intersection: pedestrian signals, traffic signals for road vehicles and transit signals. In general, light rail vehicles will follow the transit signals specifically for Finch West LRT vehicles.

Anonymous's avatar
May 18, 2020 - 20:27

Without signal priority, the Finch West LRT isn’t really any different than the St. Clair Streetcar. Why has Metrolinx not pushed harder for the City of Toronto to allow signal priority? Without it, the Finch LRT will be severely limited operationally.

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 10:56

Direct Signaling and Train Control System interface to traffic controllers will be implemented for the Traffic Signal Priority (TSP) function, such feature is absent from TTC St. Clair Streetcar. TSP will be implemented on all 24 intersections on the Finch Wwest LRT alignment.

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Metrolinx
May 19, 2020 - 13:25

Yes, there will be a bridge over Highway 400. Right now, the construction crew is working on replacing the MTO Highway. 400 bridge. Rehabilitation of the Highway 400 bridge structure is included in the Finch West Light Rail Transit (LRT) project. To save time and reduce traffic impact, crews are using an innovative engineering process called ‘rapid bridge replacement’ (RBR) to replace the Highway 400 bridge. They have been building the new bridge next to the highway and will be replacing it over the course of two separate weekends later this spring.

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:10

Updated on May 20th at 12:58 p.m.

Although the 2010 Environmental Assessment (EA) for the Finch West LRT Project includes plans for an extension to Finch Station, at this time, this extension is unfunded.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2020 - 12:36

Any signal priority on finch?

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:03

Updated on May 20th at 10:52 a.m.

There will be traffic signal priority at all 24 intersection sections along the Finch West LRT alignment.

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Anonymous
May 20, 2020 - 19:50

Couldn't ask this at the Eglinton engage page but along with Finch, will Eglinton also get priority signaling as well?

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Metrolinx
May 21, 2020 - 11:29

There will be limited signal priority permitted by the City of Toronto on the Eglinton Crosstown. The limited priority for light rail transit is an ability to call for an extended green for the through movements going east/west. There will be 3 different types of signals at each signalized intersection: pedestrian signals, traffic signals for road vehicles and transit signals. In general, light rail vehicles will follow the road signals — stopping at reds, waiting for the advance turns to finish and then proceeding on green.

Anonymous's avatar
May 19, 2020 - 17:26

Will the 36 bus route run on a reduced schedule once the LRV is finished?

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 15:25

The TTC will evaluate service along the Finch Ave. W. corridor once the LRT is in service to see if the 36 bus will need to run on a reduced schedule or be discontinued altogether.

Anonymous's avatar
May 14, 2020 - 18:46

Will the line extend from Humber College though Woodbine Racetrack to the new transit hub at the airport? Also, will work on the Pearson Transit Centre be impacted due to COVID-19?

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Metrolinx
May 15, 2020 - 12:45

Metrolinx and the Greater Toronto Airports Authority (GTAA) have a partnership to work together to explore ways improve rapid transit access to Canada’s largest airport, which includes possible rapid transit lines, like the Finch West LRT, to the planned Regional Transit Centre at Toronto Pearson Airport.

Although the 2010 Environmental Assessment (EA) for the Finch West LRT Project includes plans for an extension from Humber College to Woodbine and Pearson Airport, at this time, the extension is unfunded.

Project work specific to planning the Regional Transit Centre falls with the GTAA. We recommend that you contact the GTAA directly at [email protected] in regards to planning timelines as they recover from the effects of COVID-19.

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 09:50

The average end-to-end travel time is approx. 33 to 34 minutes, with average travel speed of approx. 20 to 21 Km/h.

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Anonymous
May 13, 2020 - 11:18

Will the Finch West LRT have full signal priority?

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Metrolinx
May 15, 2020 - 12:47

Updated on May 20th at 10:52 a.m.

There will be traffic signal priority at all 24 intersection sections along the Finch West LRT alignment.

Anonymous's avatar
May 13, 2020 - 14:29

I have three questions about the Finch West LRT:

1. How many minutes or hours would it take to travel from Finch West Station to Humber College through the Finch West LRT?

2. Were the Finch West LRT trains and its station's environment-friendly?

3. What is the difference between the LRT trains and the Toronto Rocket subways?

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:08

Updated on May 19th at 10:45 a.m.

The average end-to-end travel time for the Finch West LRT from Finch West Station to Humber College is approx. 33 to 34 minutes. In both LRT and subway systems, actual speed is determined by spacing between stops and the dwell time at stops. They will operate using electric power throughout the alignment and produce zero emissions. The Finch West LRT will run above and below ground, and is grade separated from regular traffic. The wide LRT platforms are accessed via accessible signalized intersections/crosswalks and there is a physical barrier between the platform and adjacent road lane. There is also a big cost difference between subways and light rail transit. LRTs are much more cost effective to build than a subway.

You can read more about LRT facts here: http://www.metrolinx.com/en/projectsandprograms/transitexpansionprojects...

Anonymous's avatar
May 20, 2020 - 11:02

Would the COVID-19 pandemic negatively impact the construction of the Finch West LRT? In other words, how would the COVID-19 pandemic affect the construction? Would it cause the date of the opening of the Finch West LRT to be moved to a different date?

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 21:04

At this point, work on our construction sites is moving forward as planned. This was confirmed by the Premier. However, there is a clear expectation for our contractors to ensure the health and safety of all of their workers and if that cannot be guaranteed work must immediately cease. We are closely to monitor the working conditions of all construction sites. Both Metrolinx and our contractor are working proactively to adapt the worksites to protect the health and safety of workers as we continue to build this important project. 

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Will a community bike repair facility be created at the LRT storage facility?
If not, are there plans to assist the community bike centres in the area (e.g. Tobermory Bike Hub https://www.culturelink.ca/services/health-and-recreation/bike-hub/ and Regenesis Cycle York Bike Centre https://regenesis.eco/cycleyork)

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 15:44

No bike repair facility is planned at the Maintenance Storage Facility (MSF). The MSF will be used to store the light rail vehicles (LRVs) and provide shops for service, repairs and inspection. Currently, there are no plans to assist the community bike centres along the corridor. However, through our community relations/engagements plan we do highlight businesses along the corridor.

Anonymous's avatar
May 15, 2020 - 17:05

The Housing Now site at 3933 Keele St. is now being used by Mosaic for LRT construction staging and a 2nd entrance to the LRT.
Does Mosaic have any plans to work with an affordable housing provider to build affordable housing above the 2nd entrance to the Finch West Station?
If not, when will Mosiac be finished with their work on the site and would it be available in the future for affordable housing (under the City of Toronto's Housing Now initiative)?

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 17:12

The Finch West Station work is expected to be complete 2023. The decision for affordable housing rests with the City of Toronto, as it is their initiative.

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May 14, 2020 - 01:12

Wonder that Finch West LRT will have a WiFi ?

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:18

The LRT will have Wi-Fi at Humber College Stop and Finch West Station. Due to running above ground, it will give riders access to cellular service and their personal services.

Anonymous's avatar
May 13, 2020 - 17:30

In the FAQ in the Finch West LRT page on the Metrolinx website it's stated that Line 6 will have some degree of TSP. Will this be the same as the Crosstown where LRVs will only get priority if they're running behind schedule?

If this is case are any other provisions being made to ensure reliability of service apart from ROW separation?

Additionally, are any other provisions being made for any future increases in capacity? Will the LRT be able the support frequencies higher than 7 minutes in future?

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Metrolinx
May 14, 2020 - 15:13

Updated on May 19th at 3:27 p.m.

The right of way is not only separated from traffic, it is raised above the ground, in order to limit lane crossing by cars. There will be 3 different types of signals at each signalized intersection: pedestrian signals, traffic signals for road vehicles and transit signals. In general, light rail vehicles will follow the transit signals specifically for Finch West LRT vehicles. The system is being designed so that it can be expanded in the future from 18 vehicles to 26. For example, the MSF yard is being made large enough to accommodate these additional 8 vehicles. The maximum headway (minimum time between vehicles) during rush hour is currently set at 5 minutes.

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Metrolinx
May 20, 2020 - 10:49

Metrolinx reviewed the Greenway Plan in August 2018. This was after the design and procurement for Finch West Light Rail Transit (FWLRT) was already underway. Metrolinx gave the ideas in the Greenway Plan full consideration and discussed with the city as they own the assets. Many of the ideas in the plan weren’t feasible given other competing interests such as storm management and emergency services. However, the FWLRT project will have a number of similar design concepts.

Metrolinx worked closely with the City of Toronto and other key stakeholders to balance the many interests along the FWLRT corridor. Delivering rapid transit project in a complex urban environment can be challenging, but with careful collaboration the results can work for all involved.

There was a significant joint effort between Metrolinx and the City of Toronto to design an 11 km Cycle Track and Multi-Use path. This will be transformational along Finch Avenue which has significant traffic, and is a busy truck corridor. We are also building the maintenance and storage facility to a minimum LEED Silver and will include a green roof. And another example is that the designs of the stops include DX elements that incorporate grasses within the taper end of platform areas in the roadway median.