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Anonymous's avatar
Jan 24, 2020 - 15:00

Where is the station in relation to Overlea Blvd

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Metrolinx
Jan 31, 2020 - 15:57

Thank you for your question. Finalized stop and station locations are still being studied.   The precise alignment of the Ontario Line will evolve throughout the design and procurement process as teams gather more information, including details on ground conditions, community and environmental impacts. You can stay tuned to project updates and sign up for our mailing list at Metrolinx.com/ontarioline

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 24, 2020 - 15:02

Is the western terminus of the line to be built so that it would be able to be extended north west at a later date? Thank you

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Feb 2, 2020 - 12:48

We are currently advancing plans for the line between Exhibition/Ontario Place and the Ontario Science Centre. However, these plans don’t preclude future expansions that may be presented to improve access and meet demand.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 27, 2020 - 12:56

I would love to attend the Ontario Line event, but the time frame does not work for my schedule. I imagine that an evening time slot is difficult for commuters and parents who are responsible for preparing dinner for their families and childcare. Having a webinar for events such as these would make the conversation more accessible to a wider range of Torontonians. Can we consider adding a live webinar option and a moderator responsible for answering questions that come from online participants? Thank you!

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Feb 2, 2020 - 12:45

Thanks for your feedback - we will share this with our project team. Our Metrolinx Engage portal is designed to give the community an opportunity to ask questions and also review the same materials that were shared with communities at the Open Houses. You can find a digital version of the display boards on this website under the Ontario Line section. Feel free to leave us more questions on Metrolinx Engage and we'll be happy to answer. You can also reach us directly at [email protected] or 416-202-5100.

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Why are you using Overlea as the route?
If you can put the maintenance yard behind a Costco why not the train?
Or the hydro green? Or
An elevated line done the DVP median or on the side?Ozr
The North Go train line that cuts through ET Seton park already?
Overlea is already overly trafficked.it is the only exit out of Thorncliffe Park and entrance to the DVP. We are very well served by buses. The construction alone will destroy a high needs neighbourhood struggling to keep itself from becoming a ghetto. The local merchants who mostly reside here will be ruined. We cannot get a dime for a decent community centre with the highest numbers of children in Canada but we are getting a subway light rail line along Eglinton’s high end neighbourhood and another transit line just one block south but this one will be an above ground or ground level rail.
How does this make any sense.

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Feb 2, 2020 - 12:58

The precise alignment of the Ontario Line will evolve throughout the design and procurement process as teams gather more information, including details on ground conditions, community and environmental impacts, and potential for partnering with developers. We will continue to refine the exact alignment as more planning work is done as part of the Preliminary Design Business Case.

We will work with communities to ensure a comprehensive array of measures are in place to address any noise or vibration impacts and to ensure designs are sensitive and respectful of communities.

Denise's avatar
Jan 28, 2020 - 21:40

Why is an elevated structure being built right outside residential buildings and condos on Overlea Blvd with no regard to the noise factor and view for residential owners? This kind of structure does not belong in a residential community. Unfortunately I was unable to attend the meeting at the Science Centre and would love to receive some details on this plan.

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Feb 2, 2020 - 12:55

Current plans for the line on Overlea Boulevard include at-grade or elevated tracks. The precise alignment of the Ontario Line will evolve throughout the design and procurement process as teams gather more information, including details on ground conditions, community and environmental impacts. We will work with communities to ensure a comprehensive array of measures are in place to address any noise or vibration impacts and to ensure designs are sensitive and respectful of communities.

All the boards from the Ontario Science Centre Open House are available on the Metrolinx Engage portal by going to the Ontario Line section and clicking Get Engaged -> Open Houses.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 29, 2020 - 08:52

What are your plans for the houses near the proposed bridge that will cross the DVP? Will you be expropriating homes on Minton? What can we expect by way of compensation in that event? What about the effect of the noise and vibration on the remaining homes? Homeowners here are frustrated by the lack of information and consultation to date, given how directly we will be affected by your proposed plans. This is a quiet residential area (mature homes, big trees, older people, young families), which will be potentially devastated by the line. Please involve us in the process. The Information Sessions held this week were not informative at all; beyond "feedback forms", there was no chance to have one's voice heard. A more democratic forum is needed for involving homeowners whose properties are on the line (pun intended).

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Feb 2, 2020 - 13:01

We understand that residents and businesses want specific details about impacts to their properties, and we will reach out individually to impacted property owners once we have a firm understanding of what’s needed. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work.

By utilizing the rail corridor that already exists in the Leslieville area, we will be able to deliver the Ontario Line quicker while reducing capital costs and serving even more communities.The precise alignment of the Ontario Line will evolve throughout the design and procurement process as teams gather more information. We will continue to refine the exact alignment as more planning work is done as part of the Preliminary Design Business Case, which will in turn help us determine property requirements. 

Previously identified and newly affected property owners will be notified and advised of any property impacts, including owners of properties that were identified in the Relief Line South Environmental Report that are no longer required.

We are consolidating all the feedback we've received and will be sharing it with our project team.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 29, 2020 - 09:47

How will metrolix address all the public comments?

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Metrolinx
Feb 2, 2020 - 12:41

We are consolidating all the feedback we receive at our Open Houses and online. All the feedback will be shared with our project team. 

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 29, 2020 - 10:29

Can you please share with the public any work you have done to date to assess the impact that building a bridge across the DVP and and a tunnel exit would have on the Pape and Minton area. The residents in the neighbourhood have not been consulted and requests to Metrolinx for a consultation with residents have thus far been ignored.

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Feb 2, 2020 - 13:08

We know that residents have many questions about the future look and feel of the line as well as their neighbourhoods, and we will share updates and seek feedback throughout the development of the project. There will be many opportunities for people to provide input and learn more about what the project means for them throughout its lifecycle. We will be sharing environmental studies and reports for review and comment throughout the formal EA process, as well as conducting many other engagement events outside of that process. We plan on hosting more Open Houses this spring where we'll be able to share some more information from our findings and solicit community feedback.

A great deal of information is uncovered as a project evolves from the early analysis phase to the planning and design phase, through procurement, and onward to the delivery and operations phases. We use all the facts we have to update and improve evidence-based decisions about the project. The findings from our Initial Business Case can be found on our website at www.metrolinx.com/OntarioLine

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 29, 2020 - 10:43

At the top of this page it says "We’ll post an answer to your question in 48 hours."
Yet no questions have been answered including ones that were posted 5 days ago.

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Anonymous
Jan 29, 2020 - 14:57

How was King Street and Bathurst Street chosen for a Subway Station?
Why would Metrolinx not choose City Place and Liberty Village for Subway Stations?
Why would you have the subway raised going through Leslieville and Riverdale?

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Metrolinx
Feb 2, 2020 - 12:39

Teams are analyzing the 15 stations identified in the Initial Business Case to determine whether or not they should be built, looking at factors like the potential number of users, ease of construction, and cost, to name a few. Findings will be presented in the Preliminary Design Business Case, which we are aiming to complete by summer 2020.

By using the GO corridor and building bridges across the Don River instead of tunneling underneath it, a route that is approximately twice the length of the Relief Line South can be built at a similar cost. Also, using the GO corridor will allow people to more easily connect between GO and TTC services that will both be accessible by street level, saving time compared to connections that would lead people into deep underground stations.

We will be hosting another round of consultations in spring 2020 where we hope to share some more information from our findings.

Anonymous's avatar
Jan 30, 2020 - 15:29

Can you share more details on the decisions around making certain parts of the Line above ground? Specifically, where the line comes above ground at the Gerrard station and going south through a rich vibrant neighbourhood full of families? Could it be underground? Could it be routed more East so that the Leslieville station doesn't take out a community centre and park and housing for at risk women?

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Metrolinx
Feb 2, 2020 - 12:37

Any decisions we make on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations.

As stated in our Initial Business Case, the alignment and station locations are subject to change as we advance planning and design work. We will comprehensively present alternative alignments and station locations to city partners and communities for their feedback once we have the details we need to make sound recommendations.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 1, 2020 - 06:47

The publicly stated timelines for opening the subway seem extremely aggressive. Given the timelines for the environmental assessment, preliminary design and field studies, procuring the design build team, purchasing property and relocating utilities, and the way these processes are integrated with each other and rely on information from each other, how is it possible to be in construction by 2023? Utility relocations on their own can be an extremely lengthy and iterative process with so many different parties involved - even as an early works program, it's hard to imagine it will be ready to start in 2021 given the current level of design. While I am wholeheartedly in favour of the project and agree that it's time to move forward with transit improvements rather than continuing to draw more lines on the map, given the significant schedule delays experienced with the Spadina Subway extension (particularly the true "unknown unknowns" that always happen with major underground work), how realistic is the 2027 opening date? Expectations need to be properly managed.

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Metrolinx
Feb 3, 2020 - 14:39

Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario will use a public-private partnership (P3) procurement model to ensure the Ontario Line is delivered efficiently and cost effectively. The P3 approach will leverage private sector innovation in design and construction and increase budget and schedule certainty. To date, IO’s P3 projects have a 95 per cent on-budget track record and a 69 per cent on-time delivery record, which far outpaces traditional project delivery and is significantly above industry standard. Timelines are subject to change as the project progresses and the design is refined.

Anonymous's avatar

I understand that an existing abandoned CN right-of way that links downtown to Thorncliffe park area already exists and is for ----. This appears to be a much cheaper, faster, better and less intrusive option to service north of the DVP. Has this option been given proper consideration in the options analysis?

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Metrolinx
Feb 4, 2020 - 15:27

The existing abandoned CN right-of-way runs parallel to the DVP, almost entirely within the Don River Valley. Technical and natural environment considerations aside, this line is located away from the neighborhoods along the currently proposed Ontario Line route and would not provide comparable connectivity (e.g., access to jobs within a certain commute time) and travel experiences (e.g., connections to other transit routes). For more information about the Ontario Line performance compared to other scenarios considered, please see the Ontario Line Initial Business Case: http://www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalplanning/projectevaluation/benefitsc....

Anonymous's avatar

If the subway is expanded north of the Danforth along Pape, as proposed, the millwood bridge would be a preferred route and existing option, rather than building another bridge beside the existing bridge. The bridge was expanded a few years ago to take on more vehicle traffic. I understand that if the road surface was reduced back to its original design, the bridge could accommodate a subway. Given that the goal is to reduce vehicle traffic by providing a subway option, this options seems to be a no brainer. Was this option considered? If so, can Metrolinx provide the engineering analysis?

Anonymous's avatar

Hello,

The City of Toronto will be building a new, large recreation / community centre at Don Mills Road and Wynford Drive during the same time frame that the Ontario Line is under construction.

The new centre will benefit children, youth, families, and seniors in the Don Mills corridor, including from Flemingdon Park and Thorncliffe Park. It will be one of the largest, or the largest, in the entire City of Toronto.

As part of Metrolinx's construction of the new Ontario Line station at Don Mills Road and Eglinton, is it possible to build a direct connection to the new community centre - either under Don Mills Road or above it - so that recreation centre users from Thorncliffe Park and Flemingdon Park can avoid having to cross a very busy intersection to enjoy our new community benefit?

Details of the City's project is located here: http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/viewAgendaItemHistory.do?item=2019.EX7.5

Thank you.

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Metrolinx
Feb 3, 2020 - 14:47

Hi, thanks for the feedback. We'll pass this along to our project team for consideration.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 2, 2020 - 19:14

Will construction begin in Flemingdon Park and Thorncliffe Park before other sections of the Ontario Line given that there is already a staging area available at Don Mills and Eglinton due to the Crosstown?

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Metrolinx
Feb 3, 2020 - 14:50

We will share more details of construction timelines and locations as the project progresses. We are still in the design stage and don't have that information just yet.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 3, 2020 - 12:35

Toronto’s waterfront is an important cultural attraction for our communities, and for the entire city. Our families want to be able to enjoy Harbourfront, the Islands, and Lake Ontario with their children.
It is also a growing source of employment options for parents through commercial development of East Bayfront and the central harbourfront.
Taking multiple TTC buses and subways to get there with a large family is a challenge though, and owning a car is not an option for many parents to commute to the waterfront for work.
Would Metrolinx consider adding a station to the Ontario Line near Cherry Street, in the area of the Distillery District, to connect with TTC services to East Bayfront and Harbourfront?

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Metrolinx
Feb 3, 2020 - 14:56

Thanks for the feedback, we'll pass this along to our project team. The current alignment between Ontario Science Centre and Exhibition Place, with the 15 potential stations, is the plan we are progressing at this time. 

Anonymous's avatar

Why are you are doing the bare minimum to assess the environmental impact of the Ontario Line. How do you plan to protect all our parks and green spaces that myself and thousands of my neighbours use? There hasn’t been any community consultation on this. We want our parks to stay the way they are – we do not want to lose any of the much needed green spaces in our community – this is important for growth, health and happiness. Our children play there, out pets walk there, our community events are held there. How can Mayor Tory call Toronto 'a city within a park' when you plan on getting rid of our parks?

A major concern for me as I live in close proximity to the tracks is the health concerns I will suffer. The ongoing noise of the constant bombardment of trains all day and all night will affect my sleep, my stress and my mental health which will have a huge impact on my life and job. As well, kids and the elderly will suffer this even more. How can you do this to people only to save a few bucks? Where is the long term thinking? How will you compensate us for the stress and suffering we will incur?

Putting the trains above ground is short-sited – you are compromising the community and it’s people for a small savings – this is selfish and not in the best interests of the people who live in these neighbourhoods.

How will you make sure these trains are safe? How will you make sure there is no noise and no vibrations, which again over time will cause damage to my home as I live in close proximity to this proposed line.

How will you make sure the businesses, homes and community won’t suffer economically?

How many trains will run every day, every hour, every minute and how much will this cost per ride?

We want well thought out, well researched plans and proposals plus other options for the Ontario line – below ground or routes that won’t disrupt neighbourhoods!!

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Metrolinx
Feb 6, 2020 - 09:25

Hi, thanks for your feedback. Any decisions we make on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations.

Metrolinx has a number of measures it can take to reduce and manage impacts to residents and communities, both during and after construction, which we will use whenever and wherever necessary. We know that residents have many questions about the future look and feel of the line as well as their neighbourhoods, and we will share updates and seek feedback throughout the development of the project.

We are developing detailed consultation plans and activities as teams finalize more details.There will be many opportunities for people to provide input and learn more about what the project means for them throughout its lifecycle. We will be sharing environmental studies and reports for review and comment throughout the formal EA process, as well as conducting many other engagement events outside of that process.

Anonymous's avatar

Will transit-oriented development on private property such as the East York Town Centre shopping mall and Costco in Thorncliffe Park be built at the same time, and in coordination, with Ontario Line construction?

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Metrolinx
Feb 6, 2020 - 09:28

Any decisions we make on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations.

As stated in our Initial Business Case, the alignment and station locations are subject to change as we advance planning and design work. Any discussions we have with developers and landholders at this stage are exploratory and are part of our due diligence in planning for an important project like this. We will comprehensively present alternative alignments and station locations to city partners and communities for their feedback once we have the details we need to make sound recommendations.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 5, 2020 - 19:35

The main hospital for Flemingdon and Thorncliffe residents is Michael Garron Hospital, located at Mortimer Avenue and Coxwell Avenue. Most residents take the TTC to get there, and have to rely on two bus schedules to make a timely transfer outside at Mortimer Avenue, in all weather conditions.
The Ontario Line does not have a station at Mortimer and Pape, but it does have one at Cosburn and Pape. Can Metrolinx look at designing Cosburn Station in a way that will help us get to Michael Garron Hospital faster and more comfortably?

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Metrolinx
Feb 6, 2020 - 09:32

Hi, thanks for the feedback. We'll pass this along to our project team for consideration.

Anonymous's avatar

How is the link going to look like flowing through Thorncliffe/Overlea to Flemingdon Park and up to the Ontario Science Centre. There is no current vision on the path through to Don Mills?

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 5, 2020 - 20:43

Some of my neighbours whose homes are at risk of being expropriated have been in their homes for 50 years. Do you mean to set them adrift in the current Toronto housing market?
How are you going to ensure that these people are appropriately compensated for the sacrifice you are asking them to make.

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Metrolinx
Feb 6, 2020 - 09:34

We understand that residents and businesses will want specific details about impacts to their properties, and we will reach out individually to impacted property owners once we have a firm understanding of what’s needed. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 6, 2020 - 12:23

Why has Metrolinx hired an out of province company (Maple Leaf Drilling, Winnipeg Manitoba) to do the drilling on Pape Avenue as part of the environmental assessment for the Ontario Line? Should Ontario taxpayer money being spent on the Ontario Line not go to Ontario companies and workers?

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Metrolinx
Feb 21, 2020 - 14:39

Hi, thanks for your question. Investigations and environmental field studies on the Ontario Line are progressing very rapidly to help support the creation of foundation designs and other structural plans. Due to shorter timelines we require more resources than are locally available and have been working with some reputable contractors that have a presence across Canada. e.g. Maple Leaf Drilling is a Canadian owned company with offices in Thunder Bay and Winnipeg.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 6, 2020 - 19:59

If you plan to expropriate homes, when will you contact homeowners? A Feb. 6 Toronto Star article revealed that a deal has been struck to expedite the environmental assessment and expropriation processes so that transit projects can be completed more quickly. What corners, exactly, will be cut in the interest of expediting things? How will you ensure homeowners' rights will be respected?

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Metrolinx
Feb 11, 2020 - 13:14

Hi, thanks for your question. We understand that residents and businesses will want specific details about impacts to their properties, and we will reach out individually to impacted property owners once we have a firm understanding of what’s needed. We expect to have more detailed information to share in the coming months, when we will have completed further design work.

Metrolinx is committed to meeting or exceeding all regulated requirements under EA legislation. If legislation changes then we will have to follow those requirements.

Anonymous's avatar

Increasing gainful employment opportunities is a top priority for residents in Thorncliffe Park and Flemingdon Park. Creating transit access to the new employment hub at East Harbour will benefit our community.

At the corner of Spadina and Front, a new employment hub is under construction that is similar to East Harbour, it is called 'The Well.' It may also include a new station on the Barrie GO Line. http://www.thewelltoronto.com/

Can Metrolinx consider an Ontario Line route that will directly connect our community, and the entire city, to The Well?

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Metrolinx
Feb 11, 2020 - 13:17

Hi, thanks for your suggestion. We will pass this feedback along to our planning team.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 10, 2020 - 20:10

Currently the distance from Exhibition station to Ontario Place is too far. But at the openhouse, they said the "Ontario Place" station is north of the Gardiner? About 3/4 of kilometre as the crow flies.

With the current distance from Exhibition GO and Exhibition Loop already considered an obstacle, how will this be any different than the current situation?

Is "Ontario Place" false advertising?

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Metrolinx
Feb 11, 2020 - 13:18

Hi, thanks for your question. A number of options are being considered to bring visitors to Ontario Place, including automated people movers or cable cars, similar to those used in Singapore, Dubai and Tokyo.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 10, 2020 - 20:21

The recent presentation materials didn't show Metrolinx's proposed GO station near Gerrard and Pape.

When did Metrolinx announce that promised GO station had been Forded?

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Anonymous
Feb 10, 2020 - 20:24

Last year, Metrolinx showed the study area for their Relief Line North study going to Steeles Avenue, with plans to get the line at least to Sheppard.

Why has the line been cut back to Eglinton? How would extending it to Sheppard change the peak ridership numbers? How would extending it to Richmond Hill change the peak ridership numbers?

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 10, 2020 - 20:34

The map shows Corktown station at about Berkeley and King Street. And it shows East Harbour station just east of Corktown Common.

As "Corktown station" is not in Corktown - why call it Corktown? It looks to be pretty much at the location of the old Parliament buildings. Why not call it Parliament? Or Berkeley?

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Metrolinx
Feb 11, 2020 - 13:22

Teams are analyzing the 15 stations identified in the Initial Business Case to determine whether or not they should be built, looking at factors like the potential number of users, ease of construction, and cost, to name a few. Findings will be presented in the Preliminary Design Business Case, which we are aiming to complete by summer 2020.

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Anonymous
Feb 10, 2020 - 20:35

If a train has a capacity of 800 passengers, what percentage of that would be seating? Is this something that Metrolinx would specify to the bidders?

Would the trains be what have been described as cattle cars - seating only along the sides of the car?

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 11, 2020 - 20:31

Given the public feedback that Flemingdon Park and Thorncliffe Park want an underground subway, and Toronto City Council's recent vote requesting Metrolinx to put the entire Ontario Line underground, is the provincial government now looking at opportunities to increase the project's budget?

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Metrolinx
Feb 19, 2020 - 09:27

Hi, the Initial Business Case for the Ontario Line estimates capital costs for the project to be between $8.7 and $10.5 billion. At this time, we are advancing the alignment and route as described in our Initial Business Case, which can be found here: http://www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalplanning/projectevaluation/benefitsc...

Anonymous's avatar

As an owner and resident of a condo at 1 Leaside Park Drive for over 20 years, our condominium faces Overlea Blvd and the Leaside Bridge (Valley), I echo many of the deep concerns about noise pollution, visual impact, environmental destruction that this route will have on our community and on the health of the many residents who live here. This is our home, our community, and we are deeply troubled by this misguided project.

Overlea Blvd. is NOT an expansive road, but rather a tree-lined boulevard. Why would anyone think it a good idea to run a subway track along this residential road? There are numerous condominium units (and condominium buildings), town houses, churches, mosques, and other places of worship, along with small businesses located on Overlea Blvd. that would be very negatively impacted by such a high frequency, commuter train.

How elevated might the proposed above-ground structure be as it crosses Millwood and runs along Overlea Blvd? (ie. at street light level - how many floors high?) How extensive and obtrusive will the appearance of the structure itself be (ie. one track? Will it be covered/canopied or be an open "light rail")? How loud will this tram/train/line be? What times during the day/evening would this line potentially run (remembering that there are several residential communities that exist along the proposed route)? In fact, our bedroom fronts on Overlea Blvd.

Will the potential parallel bridge to the Leaside bridge for this line be at the same height as the Leaside Bridge? Can the new line not be built to run underground and below the Leaside Bridge (much like the Bloor subway) and underground rather than above ground throughout? The impact on the environment (the Valley below and our green space - tree lined boulevard, adjacent park) is deeply troublesome.

Most importantly, as others have noted, why not run this in the industrial area that runs behind the Costco? There is an existing track that runs near the Loblaws. Or better yet, put everything below ground and away from residential properties? This community (Thorncliffe/Don Mills) is already well served by the existing transit system....the last thing we need is a train running through our neighbourhood.

Why were the information meetings not well advertised? Much of our building's owners (and hundreds of others along this route) just found out about this project and its implications after the open houses in January were done. There will undoubtedly be a huge outpouring of protest from many, many impacted owners, residents, and businesses....we DO NOT WANT THIS ONTARIO LINE, let alone have it run in our community!

Please find another alternative that does not destroy neighbourhoods....

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Metrolinx
Feb 19, 2020 - 09:44

Hi, we understand your concerns and will be working closely with the community to share any details about impacts. We wil have more details to share about the alignment and structures as the project moves further through the design stages. We are still conducting studies and investigations to understand the soil, rock and environmental conditions along the alignment.

Metrolinx has a number of measures it can take to reduce and manage impacts to residents and communities, both during and after construction, which we will use whenever and wherever necessary. We will work with communities to ensure a comprehensive array of measures are in place to address any noise or vibration impacts and to ensure designs are sensitive and respectful of communities.

We are developing detailed consultation plans and activities as teams finalize more details.There will be many opportunities for people to provide input and learn more about what the project means for them throughout its lifecycle. We will be sharing environmental studies and reports for review and comment throughout the formal EA process, as well as conducting many other engagement events outside of that process. Our next round of consultations is planned for spring of this year. We'll be advertising these consultations in advance and through numerous channels to ensure that the community is aware.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 18, 2020 - 13:21

I live at 1 Leaside Park drive, right on the corner of Millwood and Overlea. Should I expect a letter of expropriation? Should I start asking my realtor to find me a new place to live? Run this train underground please. Wait... I have no say in this as the city will do what it wants. Thanks Doug.

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Metrolinx
Feb 21, 2020 - 10:50

Hi, thanks for your question. We understand your concerns and we will be working closely with the community to share any details about impacts. We will know more about the potential property impacts as the project moves through further design stages, which will inform property requirements. We understand that residents and businesses want specific details about impacts to their properties as well as community amenities. Once we have a firm understanding of what’s needed, we will reach out individually to impacted property owners.

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Anonymous
Feb 18, 2020 - 22:20

What is the budget for the Ontario Line construction? What is the expected revenue? Are you considering to build it entirely underground?

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Metrolinx
Feb 21, 2020 - 10:54

Hi, current designs for the Ontario Line include underground, elevated and at-grade components. The Initial Business Case estimates capital costs for Ontario Line to be between $8.7 and $10.5 billion. Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario will use a public-private partnership (P3) procurement model to ensure the Ontario Line is delivered efficiently and cost effectively. We are also looking to partner with the private sector on development opportunities at and around stations to help offset the public costs of transit infrastructure. You can read more about financial and community benefits in our Initial Business Case: http://www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalplanning/projectevaluation/benefitscases/20190725_Ontario_Line_IBC.PDF

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 21, 2020 - 20:41

As many have already stated, running an elevated rail line on a small residential street like Overlea Blvd. is destructive to the community of residents/owners who live along Overlea Blvd. In addition to several condominiums, this street has an elementary school, high schools, small businesses, a senior’s home and places of worship.

Why not build this line just a little north behind the Salvation Army building (just north of Overlea Blvd) to connect to Banigan Drive which can be joined to Thorncliffe Park Dr. behind Costco and directly to where the proposed maintenance yard will be.

There are NO residential properties, schools, places of worship, etc. on this parallel route...just industrial land. This would absolutely alleviate most concerns with destroying a community boulevard, lessen noise pollution, hopefully minimize the potential negative visual impact...and perhaps even have the line built at grade rather than elevated. It would also prevent putting an entire community in a construction nightmare (like the Eglinton Crosslink nightmare) for several years.

A station can be built on that intersection (Overlea and Thorncliffe Park Dr.) for easy access to the community.

OR

An elevated line down the DVP median, as was suggested.

OR

Put everything below ground.

OR

Use the Rail track that is available just a little more north behind the Loblaws.

There are so many other options that avoid impacting any residences, and small businesses but still would provide easy access to the Thorncliffe Community.

Are any of these other options being considered?

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Metrolinx
Feb 26, 2020 - 14:38

Hi, thanks for your feedback. We understand your concerns and will be working closely with the community to share any details about impacts. We wil have more details to share about the alignment and structures as the project moves further through the design stages. We are still conducting studies and investigations to understand the soil, rock and environmental conditions along the alignment.

Any decisions we make on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations.

By using the GO corridor and building bridges across the Don River instead of tunneling underneath it, a route that is approximately twice the length of the Relief Line South can be built at a similar cost. Also, using the GO corridor will allow people to more easily connect between GO and TTC services that will both be accessible by street level, saving time compared to connections that would lead people into deep underground stations.

We'll pass along your feedback and suggestions to our planning team.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 23, 2020 - 14:10

Which street will the tunneling happen? Will the disruption during construction for the tunnels be similar to the Eglinton LRT?
It proposed tunneled portions near downtown going west will surely encounter many underground utilities, has there already been studies done to understand what is below ground for the portion to be tunneled?...I understand that is the main issue that has now delayed the LRT at Eglinton/Yonge.
Thank you.

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Metrolinx
Feb 26, 2020 - 14:42

Hi, we understand your concerns regarding construction and will be working closely with the community to mitigate impacts.We will know more about precise environmental and community impacts as the project moves through further design stages, which will inform environmental studies. Metrolinx has a number of measures it can take to reduce and manage impacts to residents and communities, both during and after construction, which we will use whenever and wherever necessary.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 26, 2020 - 13:11

You keep repeating that you are "working closely with the community". You arbitrarily planned a bridge and tunnel exit in the middle of a an established neighbourhood of 100 year old homes without notifying anyone. You started drilling right alongside people's property without even notifying them. You set up "town halls" which were absolutely unhelpful and designed to avoid troublesome questions. You have not addressed anyone's concerns on this page or anywhere else. You now have a provincial governments passing legislation that will eliminate appeal processes during expropriation and fast-track the environmental assessment process. How is any of this "working closely with the community". When are you going to stop making stuff up and address people's legitimate concerns?

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Metrolinx
Feb 28, 2020 - 15:12

Hi, we understand your concerns and appreciate your feedback. We are developing detailed consultation plans and activities as teams finalize more details.There will be many opportunities for people to provide input and learn more about what the project means for them throughout its lifecycle. We will be sharing environmental studies and reports for review and comment throughout the formal EA process, as well as conducting many other engagement events outside of that process. Our next round of consultations is planned for spring of this year. We'll be advertising these consultations in advance and through numerous channels to ensure that the community is aware.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 26, 2020 - 13:37

The legislation being fastracked though the legislature reads as follows:
"The Bill eliminates hearings of necessity for expropriations of property along the transit corridors, if the expropriations are for the purpose of the transit."
This means that Metrolinx can take your home as long as they claim it's for a "priority transit project" and you can't appeal the decision and ask them to justify the necessity. But hey, the LAPT - to whom you could appeal if you were allowed to - is now run by a former lobbyist for land developers.
So in light of this information, my question to Metrolinx is this: What can you tell me that would give me the tiniest bit of faith that you're not just going to take people's land, tear the houses down and turn around and sell it to developers to build condo towers? Especially the properties on the east side of the DVP located to the west of the Millwood bridge along Hopedale overlooking the Don valley . What can you tell me to convince me this isn't a shameless land grab by a government in bed with land developers?

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Metrolinx
Feb 28, 2020 - 15:30

Hi, thank you for your feedback. We understand your concerns and can assure you that Metrolinx is committed to expanding and improving transit in the region. Any decisions made on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 26, 2020 - 14:04

Much of the feedback here is requesting adjustments to the alignment and route that would reduce the impact to neighbourhoods and communities. The response from Metrolinx is mostly along the line: "At this time, we are advancing the alignment and route as described in our Initial Business Case". Considering the route was planned without consultation of impacted communities, and the government is passing legislation to fast-track the EA and expropriation processes, do you actually care what anyone thinks or how communities are impacted? Is this just an exercise so you can tick a box that says "community has been consulted"?

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Metrolinx
Feb 28, 2020 - 15:22

Hi, thank you for your feedback. Any decisions made on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations. We understand that residents and businesses want specific details about impacts to their properties as well as community amenities. Once we have a firm understanding of what’s needed, we will reach out individually to impacted property owners.

There will be many opportunities for people to provide input and learn more about what the project means for them throughout its lifecycle. We will be sharing environmental studies and reports for review and comment throughout the formal EA process, as well as conducting many other engagement events outside of that process. Our next round of consultations is planned for spring of this year. We'll be advertising these consultations in advance and through numerous channels to ensure that the community is aware.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 28, 2020 - 15:59

On page 30 of the initial business case it states:
"The line emerges in a portal on the cliff side above the Don Valley Parkway, west of the existing Leaside (Millwood) Bridge, approximately under Minton Place. The line crosses the Don Valley on a new bridge..."
Please justify this planning decision.
Please explain why you think this is an appropriate route for the Ontario line.
Please describe what consideration was given to homeowners and families living in this area when you made this decision.
The public deserves to know how Metrolinx arrives at its decisions.

Anonymous's avatar
Feb 28, 2020 - 16:50

"...once we have a firm understanding of what’s needed..."
"...as the project moves through further design stages..."
"We will have more details to share about the alignment..."
"We will know more about the potential property impacts...."
."..as teams finalize more details..."
"We are still in the design stage..."
"We expect to have more detailed information..."

You are drilling along Pape avenue right now (and not anywhere else), which indicates you're not even considering changes to the route and alignment. You are aggressively pursuing a very poorly thought out and hastily slapped together project (based on what I am reading here). And the taxpayers of Ontario are expected to cough up 10.9 billion dollars and people are supposed to give up their homes and have their neighbourhoods destroyed for this? This city needs transit, but it must be planned responsibly.

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Metrolinx
Mar 6, 2020 - 10:25

Thanks for your question and feedback. The geophysical survey in the area provide a better understanding, generally, of the subsurface conditions in the area and is meant to confirm the trends in the soil data obtained along Pape. This work will help us support the design of the project and approach for future construction.

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 3, 2020 - 13:58

You appear to be drilling at approximately 100 m intervals starting at the cliff face at Minton and along Minton and up Pape. Can you tell us specifically what it is you are trying to determine? (we already know it's a geo-technical survey) Is this to determine how far from the cliff face you are going to have to excavate to build the bridge and tunnel exit?

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Metrolinx
Mar 6, 2020 - 10:02

Hi thanks for your question. Our geotechnical surveying helps us helps provide a better understanding, generally, of the subsurface conditions and soil in the area. This will help determine the design of the project and approach for construction.

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 3, 2020 - 14:20

Given that you have set a timeline of 7 years for completion, and that the Ontario government is passing legislation to expedite the environmental assessment and expropriation processes, and that the technical assessments underway are not to assess the viability of the alignment but to "determine the approach for the construction"of the line, how likely is it that Metrolinx is going to consider changes to the route and alignment based on input from the public? Please stop with the cut and paste answers, if you are determined to move ahead with the route and alignment as planned in the initial business case, just be up front about it. Stop trying to soft sell us, we know if you are determined to take homes and destroy neighbourhoods for this project there is nothing we can do about it, people and families need to make plans and move on with their lives.

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Metrolinx
Mar 9, 2020 - 09:18

Hi, thanks for your questions and feedback. Any decisions we make on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations.

As stated in our Initial Business Case, the alignment and station locations are subject to change as we advance planning and design work. We will comprehensively present alternative alignments and station locations to city partners and communities for their feedback once we have the details we need to make sound recommendations. We will host another round of consultations later this spring where we'll share more information from some of our studies that are currently underway.

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Are alternatives to the alignment, especially with the Elevated Portions proposed on Overlea Blvd really being considered and actually explored?

There have been several viable suggestions made:

Move the proposed route from Overlea Blvd. just a block north to either:

a) access Banigan Drive and then connect to Pat Moore Drive and then Thorncliffe Park (the alignment can even then be build at grade for most of the route)...This would eliminate any residential impact as this route is completely commercial and would connect directly to the proposed maintenance yard. A station could easily be built at Thorncliffe Park Drive and Overlea with easy access to all.

OR

b) connect to Village Station Road - then run a parallel line to the CN rail (or use the existing rail if possible)...then link to either Pat Moore Drive and Thorncliffe Park as in option above. Once again, there would be no residential/school/place of worship negative impacts.

The public, we the tax payers, funding this project are making it very clear that the original proposal will be destructive to the neighbourhoods, and residents who live along the proposed route. So are these or other options seriously being considered and pursued? Why not create more good will and have potential more buy in from the citizens this transit line is meant to serve?

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Metrolinx
Mar 9, 2020 - 09:14

Hi, thanks for your questions and feedback. Any decisions we make on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations.

As stated in our Initial Business Case, the alignment and station locations are subject to change as we advance planning and design work. We will comprehensively present alternative alignments and station locations to city partners and communities for their feedback once we have the details we need to make sound recommendations.

The existing abandoned CN right-of-way runs parallel to the DVP, almost entirely within the Don River Valley. Technical and natural environment considerations aside, this line is located away from the neighborhoods along the currently proposed Ontario Line route and would not provide comparable connectivity (e.g., access to jobs within a certain commute time) and travel experiences (e.g., connections to other transit routes). For more information about the Ontario Line performance compared to other scenarios considered, please see the Ontario Line Initial Business Case: http://www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalplanning/projectevaluation/benefitsc...

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I doubt it, here's why:

1) They want to have it up and running by 2027 - this is completely unrealistic but it doesn't mean they aren't going to try. Any changes to the alignment will cause a redesign and require further technical assessments and push the timeline back.

2) The technical assessments underway are to "Determine the approach to construction". Translation: "we're not exploring other options we're figuring out what we need to build it where we've planned to"

3) "Hi, we understand your concerns and will be working closely with the community to share any details about impacts": Translation: We'll tell you what the impact to your community is, you can like it or lump it.

4) No-one else cares besides those of us living along the alignment. Go ahead and ask someone you know who doesn't live along the alignment, or check out the urban toronto discussion threads. People are either completely unaware or think we're just a bunch of nimbys.

5) Money talks. The value of the land along the alignment that needs to be expropriated will be significantly higher once it is redeveloped (transferred from homeowners to developers). The Ontario government is in bed with land developers.

6) PPPs rule. Even though the Auditor General has found that projects using PPPs invariably wind up costing more, the Ontario government is more than happy to transfer as much public money as it can into private hands, they are business friendly.

7) The Ontario line runs through ridings that will never vote conservative, either provincially or federally. The current Ontario government couldn't care less what happens to people in those ridings.

8) The Conservatives will likely be booted next election due to their all around incompetence. They have just over two more years to enrich themselves and their cronies. They are aggressively pushing ahead with this project, even passing legislation to make it go faster.

Metrolinx: Is anything I have said above off the mark?

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Metrolinx
Mar 9, 2020 - 09:24

Hi, thanks for your questions and feedback. We know that residents have many questions about the future look and feel of the line as well as their neighbourhoods, and we will share updates and seek feedback throughout the development of the project. We are developing detailed consultation plans and activities as teams finalize more details. We will host another round of consultations later this spring where we'll share more information from some of our studies that are currently underway.

The precise alignment of the Ontario Line will evolve throughout the design and procurement process. We will comprehensively present alternative alignments and station locations to city partners and communities for their feedback once we have the details we need to make sound recommendations.

Partnering with the private sector using a P3 model is an effective way to deliver large, complex infrastructure projects.  P3s leverage private sector innovation in design and construction and increase budget and schedule certainty by transferring appropriate project risks to the private sector consortium.

 

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 5, 2020 - 09:10

The Business case is purposely silent on alternative routes and options analysis typical of early stage engineering design. For example, there is no consideration for the use of the existing Leaside (Millwood) bridge, or the re-use of the existing CN real line (that is abandoned and for ----) that would provide an existing route from the Union Station to Thorncliffe park and Ontario place.

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 5, 2020 - 12:26

"We’ll post an answer to your question in 48 hours."
Some questions remain unanswered for a week or more. You expect people to believe you're going to have the Ontario Line operational by 2027 and be delivered on budget? You can't even live up to the commitment to answer questions on time.
Why are you not responding to questions in 48 hours? How can we get some meaningful engagement with Metrolinx? (and I am not talking about town halls).

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Metrolinx
Mar 6, 2020 - 09:53

Hi, thanks for your question and we apologize for the delay in getting back to some of the questions posted here. We're receiving a very high volume of feedback here and through email. Some of the questions posted here require some more details from our project team and we're sharing responses as soon as we have all those details. Thanks for your patience.

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 5, 2020 - 14:04

"Any decisions made on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs."

I would like to know how building a bridge and tunnel exit in the middle of an established, safe, clean, quiet neighbourhood of hardworking Ontarians:
- Improves customer experience
- Increases access to transit
- Maximises ridership
- Achieves travel time savings
- Creates better access to jobs
If this is, as you claim, the criteria for making design decisions, please provide details on how placing a bridge and tunnel exit at the end of Minton place better achieves these goals as compared to other options which you have considered.
What other options did you consider for the bridge and tunnel exit placement that did not meet these objectives as well?
Thank you.

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 5, 2020 - 22:54

What does the project team do with our input?

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Metrolinx
Mar 6, 2020 - 09:50

Hi, thanks for your question. All the feedback we receive is being compiled and shared with our project and planning team. All comments will also be included in the environmental project report.

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 6, 2020 - 11:13

"All the feedback we receive is being compiled and shared with our project and planning team"

What does the project and planning team do with the feedback that is shared with them?
How does feedback and input from the public influence the design and goals of the project?

Anonymous's avatar

When I made the following suggestion in a Question ("Are Alternatives to the Alignment Actually Being Considered?") that I posed earlier to:

"Move the proposed route from Overlea Blvd. just a block north to either:

a) access Banigan Drive and then connect to Pat Moore Drive and then Thorncliffe Park (the alignment can even then be build at grade for most of the route)...This would eliminate any residential impact as this route is completely commercial and would connect directly to the proposed maintenance yard. A station could easily be built at Thorncliffe Park Drive and Overlea with easy access to all.

OR

b) connect to Village Station Road - then run a parallel line to the CN rail (or use the existing rail if possible)...then link to either Pat Moore Drive and Thorncliffe Park as in option above. Once again, there would be no residential/school/place of worship negative impacts."

YOUR response was:
"The existing abandoned CN right-of-way runs parallel to the DVP, almost entirely within the Don River Valley. Technical and natural environment considerations aside, this line is located away from the neighborhoods along the currently proposed Ontario Line route and would not provide comparable connectivity (e.g., access to jobs within a certain commute time) and travel experiences (e.g., connections to other transit routes). For more information about the Ontario Line performance compared to other scenarios considered, please see the Ontario Line Initial Business Case: http://www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalplanning/projectevaluation/benefitsc..."

My suggestions involved the portion that is currently planned to run along Overlea Blvd. NOT the entire line. In other words, if the plan is to build a parallel bridge to the Leaside Bridge, instead of it turning on Overlea Blvd.....have it run along either:

1. Banigan Drive to Pat Moore Drive and then connect to Thorncliffe Park where the station will be either way for that stop....

OR

2. Village Station Road - then run a parallel line to the CN rail (or use the existing rail if possible) FOR THAT PORTION ONLY...then link to Pat Moore Drive and Thorncliffe Park as in option above.

These two options do NOT impact the Don River Valley (beyond what you have already planned in the building of new bridges). More importantly, these other options do not impact any residential areas, or schools and impact many fewer businesses than the Overlea Blvd. proposal. Finally, these alternate routes provide the same "comparable connectivity" to the Thorncliffe community, as the stop will still be on Thorncliffe Park Drive.

Will these options be now seriously considered?

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 10, 2020 - 10:34

I want to share with you the details about impacts to my community that the placement of a bridge at the end of Minton Place would cause.
I have lived in this area for nearly a decade, and many of my neighbours have lived here many decades. We have a good idea what the impact to the community would be, more so than whoever drew up the initial business case.
- You will need to displace families from their homes to build this. If you require a larger area for staging and storage of construction equipment, you will need to displace many families. These are not shacks or run down apartment blocks you are taking away from people, they are very nice homes, worth well over a million dollars each, anybody would consider themselves very fortunate to live in one of them.
-Some of the people you will be displacing are not able to re-enter a very competitive property market.
-Access to people's homes will be restricted as you excavate and build exits for the tunnel boring machines and so on.
-Remaining homes will be severely affected by noise and vibration. Buses going by on Pape cause noise and vibration, trains will be worse than that and felt by more people.
-Trains on an open bridge will be ridiculously loud for any home in proximity. You can hear trains travelling across the Bloor street viaduct kilometers away, from the east side of the Don Valley you can hear trains travelling along the west side of the Don Valley.
-Residents and businesses are going to face at minimum a decade of construction, no-one believes that a 2027 finish is remotely possible.
-Businesses along Pape, which are currently robust and stable and serves the needs of the community very well will suffer as a result of traffic restrictions and accessibility issues due to construction.

To be clear, this bridge is not wanted here. The impact to the community will be severe if you build it. Please consider less disruptive alternatives. Please consult with communities before committing to a plan.

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 11, 2020 - 10:27

Dear Metrolinx Communication Team: I have read most of your responses to our communities concerns below. I would like to point out something to you which you don't seem aware of your rote responses, "Any decisions we make on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations."
Please take note - your decision making in the "interest of improving customer experience," etc. - WE ARE YOUR TRANSIT CUSTOMERS! We are the people who pay the fares and ride the TTC & GO. We LIVE the neighbourhoods you are building in. Who are you speaking to when you are NOT taking into account our concerns??? We demand to be listened to as an integral part of the planning and Environmental Assessment process - a process you are short-cutting which will endanger the health & well-being of all of us along the planned route. We need a transit new that works for ALL of us!!

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 12, 2020 - 09:26

On February 28, I asked this question:

"On page 30 of the initial business case it states:
"The line emerges in a portal on the cliff side above the Don Valley Parkway, west of the existing Leaside (Millwood) Bridge, approximately under Minton Place. The line crosses the Don Valley on a new bridge..."
Please justify this planning decision.
Please explain why you think this is an appropriate route for the Ontario line.
Please describe what consideration was given to homeowners and families living in this area when you made this decision.
The public deserves to know how Metrolinx arrives at its decisions."

Nearly two weeks later and still no answers. Could this be because the decision regarding the bridge placement was made with almost no thought by simply drawing a line on a map, ignoring the fact that there are people's homes, a TPS dog training facility and a water treatment plant in the way?
Do these questions remain unanswered because Metrolinx feels it doesn't need to explain anything to anyone?
Do these questions remain unanswered because the placement of the bridge is clearly inappropriate to anyone familiar with the area and Metrolinx simply doesn't care?
Do these questions remain unanswered because absolutely no consideration was given to homeowners and families living in the area?
As an FYI I have contacted my local MP and the Federal Infrastructure Minister to ask that should the Ontario Government or Metrolinx ask for federal funding for this project or have Federal funds redirected from the DRL to this project, that this be denied until Metrolinx commits to appropriate consultations and assessments (regardless of pending provincial legislation). I recommend anyone here who is concerned about this project do the same.

Daniel's avatar
Mar 23, 2020 - 11:46

How important is Design Excellence and Architecture to Metrolinx, for this project? Will you take a similar approach as was taken with the Crosstown, or will the stations be simpler and cheaper?

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 28, 2020 - 15:05

Eliminate the elevated portions in Leslieville/Greektown area?
A very large part of the alignment choice appears to be driven by the desire for a cross-platform transfer. I feel that as long as the transfer is easier than at Union Station (which won't be hard), this cross-platform transfer is not needed.
Going back to the original Relief Line route - it appears the entire vertical alignment was driven by the Carlaw portion - and the large sewer under it. If the Carlaw "jog" was eliminated, and the line simply curved from Eastern to Pape - many benefits would result, including several shallower stations and opening up the ability to built portions of the Pape segment using cut-and-cover. (It would still require tunneling under the Don River though). (The use of unique trains and not having track connections at Pape is a smart idea and greatly reduces costs, speeds construction, and reduces disruption during construction).

Anonymous's avatar
Mar 28, 2020 - 15:22

Consider keeping alignment on Queen until King West?
To reduce the number of curves, service King West, and provide a connection to the Kitchener GO line, keep going along Queen Street and curve south between Shaw and Abell. A station would be at King Street, with a connection to the Streetcar, and proposed Liberty GO station. it would then continue south to Exhibition GO. Exhibition/Ontario Place Station would be either on East-West alignment under Manitoba Drive (if coming down near Shaw St.), or on North-South Alignment near the Food Building if coming down from a more westerly route.

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Metrolinx
Jun 19, 2020 - 16:06

Thanks for your suggestion and sorry for the delay in responding. Further information regarding the alignment, including rationale for the preferred option, will be shared in the Prelminary Design Business Case this summer.

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Anonymous
Apr 24, 2020 - 00:48

The Ontario Line should branch off to serve Toronto Billy Bishop Airport considering how close it is to the airport. I also think you should use the Alstom Metropolis as vehicles for the line.

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Metrolinx
Jun 19, 2020 - 16:03

Thanks for your feedback, which has been shared with the project team. Teams are analyzing the 15 stations identified in the Initial Business Case to see how they would perform, looking at factors like the potential number of users, ease of construction, and cost, to name a few. Findings, including any further details regarding vehciles, will be presented in the Preliminary Design Business Case, which we are aiming to complete this summer.

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Anonymous
May 17, 2020 - 13:57

My question is: Why not extend the Ontario Line to Dundas west station? It would connect west downtown/ western toronto to downtown and further reduce crowding in the future at stations like bloor/st George etc. I live in the west end, and it would be nice for us to get attached to downtown faster as well.

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Metrolinx
Jun 19, 2020 - 16:01

Thanks for your suggestion. The current route from the Ontario Science Centre to Ontario Place/Exhibition is the plan we are advancing at this time. Your feedback will be shared with the project team for future consideration. 

Tristen's avatar
May 20, 2020 - 19:03

How many cars per train?

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Metrolinx
Jun 19, 2020 - 14:14

Sorry for the delay in responding. The number of cars has not yet been determined but we expect the line to feature modern, remotely operated trains that run on an automatic signalling system, like in Vancouver, Paris, London, and Singapore.

A Request for Qualifications has been issued for the Rolling Stock, Systems, Operations and Maintenance (RSSOM) contract to design-build-finance-operate-maintain the entire Ontario Line. Bidders can propose a full range of options for vehicles and signaling.

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Anonymous
May 29, 2020 - 19:28

When will the RFQ for the Ontario line project be issued?

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Metrolinx
Jun 19, 2020 - 14:05

Thanks for the question and apologies for the delay in our response. The first two of three Request for Qualifications (RFQs) were released on June 2, 2020:

The Rolling Stock, Systems, Operations and Maintenance (RSSOM) package is a 30-year-term contract to design-build-finance-operate-maintain the entire Ontario Line.

The Southern Civil, Stations and Tunnels package is a design-build-finance contract for the southern segment of the Ontario Line, from Exhibition/Ontario Place to the Don Yard portal (west of the Don River).

The RFQ for the northern civil, stations and tunnels contract is the third and final P3 package that will be issued for the Ontario Line. It is expected to be issued in 2022.

Staggering the procurement timing for the northern and southern contracts will help ensure there is sufficient market capacity to successfully deliver the project.

Anonymous's avatar
Jun 2, 2020 - 12:00

Hi,

I was wondering if you could indicate where the tunnel will emerge near Minton Place onto the bridge that will cross the Don Valley? Will it emerge at ground level at or around Minton Place, or will it emerge below the ground level in the valley?

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Metrolinx
Jun 23, 2020 - 14:36

Work is ongoing to determine the precise alignment of the Ontario Line, including the depths of tunnels and heights of bridges. As it stands now, the tunnel will emerge from the valley side slope in the area of Minton Place and the guideway will cross the Don Valley on a new bridge, but the plans do not contemplate the line descending into the valley. We look forward to sharing further details this summer.

Anonymous's avatar
Jun 5, 2020 - 12:41

Infrastructure Ontario has issued 2 out of 3 RFQs for the Ontario line. The third RFQ however (for all the stations north of Gerrad) will only be issued by early 2022. It can take up to 2 years from issuing the RFQ to acutely awarding the contract. This means the contract will probably be awarded approximately in early 2024. This leaves just three years to construct that segment of the Ontario Line for an on time opening in 2027, while the RFQ IO issued on June 2 for the stations south/west of Corktown - the contract for that will probably be awarded around 2022 - leaving 5 years to construct that shorter section of the line. If I understand all the facts correctly, how is it realistic that the entire Ontario line will open in 2027?
Thank you

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Metrolinx
Jun 19, 2020 - 13:56

While the actual completion date will be largely informed by the response we get from the market, staggering the procurement timing for the northern and southern contracts will help ensure there is sufficient market capacity to successfully deliver the project.

Despite staggering the procurement for the northern and southern sections of the line, it’s important to note that major construction for both segments –- and the integration of the lines –- will be coordinated to allow for the same in-service date.

Anonymous's avatar

What is the impact of Ontario line on the West Waterfront LRT and how will the two projects be integrated?

South Etobicoke, Swansea and Sunnyside are adding a lot of density and will continue to do so in the future. Therefore, a quicker, more reliable transit option is needed to the downtown core. Connection at the Exhibition would be able to benefit tens of thousands commuters.
Thank you

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Metrolinx
Jun 15, 2020 - 13:45

Current plans for the Ontario Line include a terminus stations at Exhibition where it will connect to the GO system. There are also improvements planned for the Lakeshore West line which will improve service for residents along this corridor. The West Waterfron LRT is not an active Metrolinx project.

 

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Anonymous
Jun 22, 2020 - 13:59

In one of your Ontario Line blogs, I noticed there will be protection for future extensions to the north and to the west. The Ontario Line should be extended north to Don Mills and West/NorthWest to Mount Dennis. https://blog.metrolinx.com/2020/05/21/perfecting-the-alignment-how-toron...

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Metrolinx
Jun 23, 2020 - 15:01

At this time, we are advancing plans for the line between Ontario Place and the Ontario Science Centre, however, these plans don’t preclude future expansions that may be considered to improve access and meet demand. In terms of the precise alignment of the Ontario Line, it will evolve throughout the design and procurement process as teams gather more information, including details on ground conditions, community and environmental impacts. You can stay tuned to project updates and sign up for our mailing list at Metrolinx.com/OntarioLine.

Anonymous's avatar
Jun 26, 2020 - 12:37

In an early question/answer, you mentioned an automated people mover was being studied to get people the short distance from Exhibition Go station and Ontario Place. When can we expect more details about this people mover (opening date, alignment, frequency, fare, business case, tendering, etc.)
Thank you

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Metrolinx
Jun 29, 2020 - 15:21

At this time, we are focusing on refining the exact alignment of the Ontario Line, and this process includes teams gathering more information, including details on ground conditions, community and environmental impacts. This will in turn help us determine how the line will connect the Exhibition Place station to Ontario Place. We hope to present our findings in the Preliminary Design Business Case, which we are aiming to complete by summer 2020.

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Jun 27, 2020 - 01:21

Am contacting regarding a current city street sign project. How do I find out the building address for future Croktown Station? Info will use for estimate arriving time.

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Metrolinx
Jun 29, 2020 - 15:22

It’s still too early to provide a specific address for the future station. Currently, teams are analyzing the 15 stations identified in the Initial Business Case to see how they would perform, looking at factors like the potential number of users, ease of construction, and cost, to name a few. Findings will be presented in the Preliminary Design Business Case, which we are aiming to complete late this summer.

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Jun 27, 2020 - 19:38

Hi metrolinx, any possiblility of a City hall Station?, instead of Queen & Osgoode, even better Old City hall station in a historic tile look, would be amazing!

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Metrolinx
Jun 29, 2020 - 15:22

Thanks for your feedback. Any decisions we make on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. These criteria are balanced by cost and other community considerations. As stated in our Initial Business Case, the alignment and station locations are subject to change as we advance planning and design work. Any discussions we have with developers and landholders at this stage are exploratory and are part of our due diligence in planning for an important project like this. There are existing development plans for some of the lands along the proposed alignment, and upfront work must be done to understand how those plans might impact the project—and vice versa. We will comprehensively present alternative alignments and station locations to city partners and communities for their feedback once we have the details we need to make sound recommendations.

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Jun 28, 2020 - 21:07

My question is why is the ontario line being stopped at ontario place and not being extended back to line 1? Wouldn't it further reduce crowding and provide a west connection to downtown?

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Metrolinx
Jun 30, 2020 - 13:06

At this time, we are advancing plans for the Ontario Line between Ontario Place and the Ontario Science Centre. This  builds on the former Downtown Relief Line proposal, however, these plans don’t preclude future expansions that may be considered to improve access and meet demand. The terminus at Ontario Place/Exhibition Station was chosen for a few reasons, including that it will better expand the transportation network and serve to further connect the dense residential and commercial Liberty Village to the GO Network and subway. Furthermore, by terminating at the Ontario Place/Exhibition Station, the Ontario Line is protected for future potential western extensions.

We appreciate your feedback, and will be sharing it with our project team for future consideration.

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Anonymous
Jun 30, 2020 - 21:47

What method tunnel construction will be used to construct the Ontario Line tunnels?

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Metrolinx
Jul 3, 2020 - 09:41

At this time, we do not have any finalized details on tunneling methods as this will be determined by the consortiums that are awarded the two design-build-finance contracts for the northern and southern portions of the Ontario Line, including the tunnel sections.

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Jul 1, 2020 - 13:14

On June 2, Infrastructure Ontario issued 2 RFQs. The RFQ issued to provide the Rolling Stock of the line, systems, operations, and maintenance. In the preliminary agreement between the City and the Province of Ontario, it states "The City/TTC will be responsible for the day-to-day operations of the Provincial Projects and the existing transit system, including in respect of labour relations." If I understand everything correctly, then why does the contract include operations? The Finch West LRT and the Eglinton Crosstown will be operated by the TTC and the contract between Crosslinx and Mosaic excludes operation in their contracts.
Thank you

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Metrolinx
Jul 3, 2020 - 09:41

The TTC will be responsible for day-to-day operations, including customer-facing functions such as fare enforcement and network transit control.  The operations company selected out of the Rolling Stock, Systems, Operations and Maintenance (RSSOM) procurement will be responsible for ensuring the proper operation of the Ontario Line with respect to passenger movement and vehicle headways, responding to vehicle operational related emergencies, re-establishing Ontario Line operations, restoring power, and coordinating with utility companies or others depending on the source of failure to restore operations.

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Jul 6, 2020 - 16:51

I know the Ontario Line platforms are proposed to be around 100m long. You should build the station platforms with provision to extend the platforms to 120 to 130 meters long. That way that could allow for more capacity on the line.

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Metrolinx
Jul 8, 2020 - 10:48

Thank you for your feedback. It will be shared with the our design and engineering teams. More information will be presented in the Preliminary Design Business Case, which we are aiming to complete late this summer.

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Jul 18, 2020 - 14:34

Where is the Cosburn station going to be, including all entrances? HOw far is the estimated noise and vibration impact?

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Metrolinx
Jul 20, 2020 - 08:42

Currently, teams are analyzing the 15 stations identified in the Initial Business Case to see how they would perform, looking at factors like the potential number of users, ease of construction, community considerations, and cost, to name a few. Any decisions we make on station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs. Current noise and vibration levels will be included in the Environmental Conditions Report which is anticipated to be released in the next couple months. We look forward to sharing further information with the public later this summer and into fall 2020.

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Hi There, we are still waiting for the detailed consultation plans that were supposedly in development months ago? When will Metrolinx and the Ontario government address the concerns of taxpayers and voters living along the alignment? Does Metrolinx and the Ford government care about homeowners living along the alignment, or are you more interested in seizing private property and transferring it to big land and condo developers?

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Metrolinx
Jul 23, 2020 - 12:40

We agree that public input is vital to the project and ask for your patience as we complete the necessary studies and investigations to support detailed plans and designs. More information will be presented in near future.

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Jul 21, 2020 - 12:48

What is being done to assess the impact to neighbourhoods along the alignment? Should you not be consulting with the people who live there? What will you do to minimize the impact to the communities? Why haven't Metrolinx reached out to any affected communities? Why have calls for meetings with Metrolinx to discuss impacts and hear community concerns gone ignored?

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Metrolinx
Jul 23, 2020 - 12:40

We are looking forward to sharing further information about the project later this summer. We recognize that people want to better understand the plans for the Ontario Line and how it will impact them and their community. Because large public gatherings are likely not going to be possible this summer, we will be providing a range of options for people to get information, provide feedback and ask questions. Details will be provided through elected officials, community groups and through our enewsletter. You can sign up for our enewsletter on our website to receive the latest news and updates.

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Jul 21, 2020 - 12:53

" Any decisions we make on alignment and station location are in the interest of improving the customer experience, increasing access to transit, maximizing ridership, achieving travel time savings, and creating better access to jobs"

Can we assume from the often repeated above statement that you do not intend to take into consideration the people who live along the proposed alignment when decisions are made?

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Metrolinx
Jul 23, 2020 - 12:39

We know that residents have many questions about the future look and feel of the line as well as impact on their neighbourhoods.There will be many opportunities for people to provide input and learn more about what the project means for them throughout its lifecycle. We will be sharing environmental studies and reports for review and comment throughout the formal EA process. More information will be presented in the near future.