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Ontario Line LIVE - West segment - September 9, 2021

Archive - September 9, 2021

On September 9, 2021, Metrolinx hosted a presentation and live Q&A focused on Exhibition, King-Bathurst and Queen-Spadina stations with over 100 people in attendance. During the virtual open house, we answered top-voted questions submitted by registrants, as well as live questions from participants using a call-in option. Participants asked a variety of questions related to the project plans and station design, transit connectivity, future station names, and more. We’ll be adding information addressing more questions from the event on this page soon.

For those who weren’t able to join us, you’ll find the video recording below. We’re looking forward to holding many more meetings in the future.

 

Call-In With Your Question

As we continue to evolve the virtual engagement format, we are adding a call-in option for tonight’s event. To ask your question by voice, join the Zoom meeting here. We aim to keep each question and subsequent answer to 3 minutes allowing for as many call-in questions as possible.

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Agenda

6:30PM: Meeting Begins/Opening Remarks

6:35PM: Presentation: Ontario Line Project Update for Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations

7:00PM : Questions and Answers (pre-submitted questions)

7:30PM: Questions and Answers (call-in questions via Zoom)

7:55PM: Wrap up and Closing Remarks

Meet the Speakers

Photo of Richard Tucker

Richard Tucker

Ontario Line Project Director

Photo of Malcolm MacKay

Malcolm MacKay

Sponsor for the Ontario Line Project

Celia Johnstone<br />

Celia Johnstone

Ontario Line Technical Advisor ​

Transportation Architecture Principal at HDR

 

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James Francis

Manager, Environmental Programs and Assessment Team

Format & Accessibility

Questions will be answered based on popularity (total votes). We aim to answer all questions.

Please review and note that conduct inconsistent with our policies will result in removal.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:17

Is it best that you can add a station at Cherry Street so that the Ontario line can better serve the waterfront, the distillery district and the canary district?

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:30

Thanks for your suggestion. Within a six-minute walk from the Distillery District, the Ontario Line Corktown Station is intended to serve this area, Corktown, St. Lawrence Market and the West Don Lands neighbourhoods, as well as provide relief to the busy 504 King streetcar. By 2041, we project that 26,400 people will be within a comfortable 10-minute walk from Corktown Station, and about 4,100 people will use the station during the peak morning hour.

When looking at the possibility of a station on Cherry Street, one of the important factors we considered was the distance between stations. If we located a station in this area, it would be very close to both Corktown and East Harbour Stations. As a result, the trains may not have enough time or distance to fully accelerate, impacting the overall time savings for travellers.

Please know that we are working closely with the City, TTC and Waterfront Toronto to develop complementary plans for future transit expansion such as the Waterfront East LRT and a streetcar extension down Cherry Street, with the goal of creating the best possible customer experience.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:11

is there a planned western extension from Exhibition to Dundas West station on line 2

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:26

Thanks for following up and sorry for any confusion. Please note that general route as it’s been mapped from Exhibition Place through to the Ontario Science Centre is finalized.

As mentioned, while we do not plan to build the line west of Exhibition Station under the current project's scope, we are protecting for the possibility of future extensions by constructing tail tracks at both ends of the line.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 10:18

Will passengers still have to safari across an asphalt desert to and from the Exhibition Station to reach Ontario Place? Will camels be supplied during the hot summer and dog sleds during the winter?

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Anonymous's avatar

Each station along the Ontario Line West is set for development. Infrastructure Ontario is expropriating and using MZOs to sell off development sites in hopes of paying for the Line. This will be precedent setting and destroy all planning and agreements already in place. The well established and historic communities at Spadina & Queen will be destroyed in the process. Unless development is somehow limited by the province, this intersection will soon become another Eglinton & Yonge.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 4, 2021 - 00:39

Since you're spending money for building the Ontario line, it's important that you should also focus on integrated fares,
& this video link will tell you why: https://youtu.be/h5IK5lLUniE

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 10:16

Will the transfer connections between the Ontario Line and the streetcars, buses, community buses, and GO Trains be short and easy to use by actual people? Many of the current stations on the Line 1 extension and Eglinton Crosstown LRT have l-o-n-g walks between trains and connecting public transit vehicles. That's would discourage use, especially if people have walking problems (like a broken leg after a skiing accident).

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 3, 2021 - 21:02

Exhibition Station is too far south to serve Liberty Village well. It also puts the terminus in an uninhabited no-man's land and forces any future extension to go too far south to serve really anybody.

Is the faint hope of Union Station diversion (which only benefits people not from Toronto) really worth the enormous sacrifices to service and expansion Toronto residents must suffer from this decision?

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 3, 2021 - 23:11

will the Ontario line's number come from TTC line 3

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Anonymous
Sep 6, 2021 - 12:20

I had thought that a preferred routing would have continued on Queen and then cut south around Dovercourt to interchange with the Kitchener Line (@ Liberty Station) and with Lakeshore West Line (@ Exhibition).
Since the boat has passed on this, how about having a Gondola transit line to connect some key points missed by the Ontario Line. This would start at Liberty Station, go to Exhibition Station, to Ontario Place Station (at Central Entrance), to Strachen Station (Princes Gates), to YTZ Station (Little Norway Park), to Spadina (on Queens Quay), to Rogers Centre Station (on Bremner), to Union Station (immediately south of Union GO).
This 8 Station, 5 km long transit line could have capacity in the 5000 ppdph range and connect several high demand locations to a number of high capacity lines, such as Kichener GO, Lakeshore West GO and Ontario Line in the West, and Yonge Line plus all GO services at Union Station.

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Kevin's avatar
Sep 7, 2021 - 11:05

The Province's transportation plan makes mention of an "Ontario Line Loop Concept" with no further mention of what it is. It is hard to give feedback on the Ontario Line, knowing that there is a second phase being planned with which the public has no visibility.

What is the Ontario Line Loop concept. How will it impact the current Ontario Line? What are its goals? When can we see what it is? https://files.ontario.ca/mto-towards-greater-golden-horseshoe-transporta...

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Anonymous's avatar

Please clarify how the future design of Exhibition Station (the full plan on slide 8, not the early works) will support (and not hinder) the TTC's ongoing plan to extend the streetcar line west from Exhibition Loop to connect to Dufferin Gate Loop. That work has been in planning for years but the proposed design shown here provides no indication of how it will align with that plan.

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Anonymous
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:20

At East Harbour, How many GO platforms will it take to connect the Stouffville line and the Lakeshore East line to the Ontario line

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:34

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us onThursday, September 23 for our Ontario Line East segment virtual open house, which will cover East Harbour Station. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/olLIVEsept23.

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Anonymous's avatar

How far down will it go , Garrison Creek is down there?

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 00:50

Like Queen and Yonge streets going to close to build the Ontario line stations will we see more closures on Queen like Queen and Spadina for this build as well and will it take 5yrs as well.?

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Anonymous's avatar

Since Queen/Spadina and King/Bathurst stations are located in their districts or neighbourhoods, may I suggest that:

- King/Bathurst renamed Fashion District
- and Queen/Spadina renamed Alexandra Park

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Kevin's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 09:12

Instead of the completely anonymous and uninspired unpainted grey subway trains, can you paint the Ontario line trains with the same livery used for TTC buses and streetcars OR, if Metrolinx wants to keep brand it as a Metrolinx asset, give the trains the livery of GO Transit buses and trains.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 12:33

Why follow the Lakeshore west GO tracks and end at Exhibition instead of following the Georgetown GO tracks, with a stop in the heart of Liberty Village where people actually live, work, and shop, and could connect with SmartTrack? What is the future west expansion plan from exhibition station? There is no easy access from Liberty Village to the UP express, even though the train goes right by, only bus access from Liberty to Bloor/ossington, and smart track doesn't go to Dundas west/Bloor GO station either.

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Anonymous
Sep 7, 2021 - 15:47

Hello. My question relates to the capacity of the Ontario Line.

The line is projected to have a daily ridership of 388,000 people and will be using light metro technology (perhaps similar to TTC Line 3 or the Vancouver Skytrain). However, the Expo Line in Vancouver had a daily ridership of around 290,000 people (pre-COVID) and was overcrowded and operating near capacity. If the Ontario Line is to use light metro technology similar to the Expo Line and have about 98,000 more daily riders, wouldn't the line be at or near capacity? I know the line will be operating at 90 second intervals. However, the Expo Line operates at 108 second intervals and is still overcrowded. Will the 18 seconds make much of a difference in terms of capacity? Also, ridership will almost certainly increase (though new developments near stations, as well as extensions to the line). Therefore, will the line eventually be overcrowded, if not recently after opening? Thank you.

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Anonymous's avatar

Really not appreciating that you are avoiding questions that have gained a lot of public interest and are not "softball" questions.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 9, 2021 - 19:29

Answer questions that people are interested in, not ones metrolinx employees posted!!!!

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:14

if you can't start construction on the Ontario line this year, can you at least build its Maintenance and Storage Facility soon?

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:30

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us next Thursday, September 16 for our Ontario Line North segment virtual open house, which will cover the MSF. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/OLLiveSeptember16.

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Anonymous's avatar

Hold it. If the future Gerrard GO station cannot connect with Gerrard station on the future Ontario line, won't that confuse riders if they're both built ?

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:32

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us onThursday, September 23 for our Ontario Line East segment virtual open house, which will cover Gerrard Station. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/olLIVEsept23.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:20

besides Exhibition and Science Centre stations, what other stations will have double track crossovers and storage tracks

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Anonymous
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:21

will you also construct DWA's (Designated Waiting Area) inside the stations,
& if you do how many payphones and Passenger Assistance Intercoms will you add to a station platform?

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JasonParis's avatar
Sep 4, 2021 - 20:37

There should be calendar files built into these meeting notices to allow people to add them to their calendar at the push of a button. This doesn't need addressed during the meeting, but would be helpful for future meetings.

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Anonymous's avatar

Will the platform at Science Centre Station be below or above line 5? I suggest it should be below line 5, elevated won’t work out

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 10:01

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us next Thursday, September 16 for our Ontario Line North segment virtual open house, which will cover Science Centre Station. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/OLLiveSeptember16.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 8, 2021 - 12:48

Will there be plans to extend Line 3 Ontario north east to Don Mills Station and North west to Dundas West Station?

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 8, 2021 - 17:58

Will all the stations have indoor and outdoor bicycle parking?

If yes, just say so.
If no, what are the stations that will have an indoor and outdoor bicycle parking

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Anonymous
Sep 8, 2021 - 18:01

Will all the stations have indoor and outdoor retail space?

If yes, just say so.
If no, what are the stations that will have an indoor and outdoor retail space

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Anonymous
Sep 8, 2021 - 18:50

Even though the line will be above ground for some sections of track, will it still have Automatic Train Control (ATC) at those sections

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 8, 2021 - 23:58

once the new line opens, how many elevators will Exhibition station have ?

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 9, 2021 - 19:51

How will the construction of the Line and the station at Queen Spadina affect the operation of the North-South Spadina streetcar? Will the street car be affected and how, and for how long? Will there be an interruption of the Spadina car that requires buses to replace them, and if so, for how long and what is the start date and end date. ?

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:15

what kind of typeface should the Ontario line use for wayfinding signage?
ClearviewADA or Swiss721?

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 3, 2021 - 20:43

Unlike the other segments, this page only allows for question submission, not registration.

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Metrolinx's avatar

Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:41

Thank you for your question an bringing this to our attention. Please note that the issue with the registration page has now been resolved.

You can also visit this page during tonight's live virtual open house to tune in (the live video stream will be posted directly on this page). After the event, we will also post the recording on this page for viewers to rewatch at their convenience. 

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Furry Rider's avatar
Sep 7, 2021 - 09:22

The Ontario Line should be continued west along The Queensway and then along Dundas Street in Mississauga, connected with a future Waterfront LRT at Exhibition Station and a future High Park Station, and a second separate line should be built between Dundas West Station (with future local service in support of the GO service towards the northwest), along the King Street providing express service in support of the King Streetcar, then east along Kingston Road to meet up with the future Eglinton East LRT extension at Kingston and Eglinton

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Anonymous's avatar

What is the schedule for design, procurement and construction and/or any additional utilities relocation works that are involved in this segment? Thank you.

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Anonymous's avatar

AND the tunnel work? Thank you!

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Anonymous's avatar

Hello,

Thanks for the opportunity for me to ask my question.

First, I’d love to know how the communities that are surrounding these new future stations would be involved in the renaming process.

Secondly, I would like to know if there are currently proposals for new names or other names other than the ones you’ve recommended already, or if there are people who are as passionate and interested in the name as I am.

Thank you and looking forward to hearing an answer at this meeting.

Regards,

Javon

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 9, 2021 - 19:53

It was supposed to go to 8pm. Why did you finish 10 minutes early and not deal with more questions?

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Anonymous's avatar

1) Why do you send out your Ontario Line newsletters every week on a Friday afternoon around 4 pm? Last week you did one at about 420pm on a Friday afternoon of a long weekend. What is your justification for doing so ? That's completely insane.

2) Has Phil Verster and your Metrolinx board been apprised of that as yet?

3) Please supply the facts, the actual on-line readership metrics, comparison with other times, and the communications rationale that supports that?

4) Is Metrolinx governed by Provincial FOI legislation so that one can apply for answers to the above 2 questions? If so, what is the contact info and info on the process to begin that?

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Anonymous
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:15

What kind of elevators will you use for the Ontario line?

The ones used on the Toronto subway or the ones used on the Eglinton Crosstown?

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 6, 2021 - 11:48

I suggest giving all Transit Lines in GTA a single letter, and every station a number. GO lines get a two letter name.
Thus, we get Line Y, Line B, Line S, Line E, Line O, Line F - and Line H in Mississauga.
For GO, we have Line LW, ML, KI, UP, BA, RH, ST, LE.

Without any explanation - everyone is 100% clear which lines are referred to with the letters. Meanwhile, there is no intuitive logic to the Line numbers that were created very recently.

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 8, 2021 - 18:06

what restaurants will you build for retail space?
McDonald's, Tim Hortons, Coffee Time, etc.

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Anonymous
Sep 8, 2021 - 19:17

wait a minute. isn't cut-&-cover tunnels considered as low-cost tunnelling like some cities in Canada

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Anonymous
Sep 8, 2021 - 23:52

Now hold on. If Exhibition GO station on Lakeshore West line is gonna connect to the Ontario line above-ground, does it mean 'remove the underpass below the GO tracks?'

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Anonymous
Sep 9, 2021 - 00:20

i don't understand. how will King/Bathurst station be excavated or mined when the station is DIAGONALLY below the intersection

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 9, 2021 - 00:24

Other than Exhibition, which station will have an underground streetcar connection?
King/Bathurst, Queen/Spadina or both ?

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Anonymous
Sep 3, 2021 - 17:45

What kind of ESCALATORS will you use for the Ontario line?

The ones used on the Toronto subway or the ones used on the Eglinton Crosstown?

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 5, 2021 - 14:35

Suggested name for the King & Bathurst Station, "Wheatsheaf".

Suggested name for the Queen & Spadina Station, "Fashion".

Suggested name for Queen & Yonge, "City Hall".

Suggested name for Pape & Danforth, "Danforth".

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Anonymous's avatar
Sep 6, 2021 - 14:00

Hello. When will the construction at Exhibition Station begin? I heard it was to begin imminently back in June. Thank you.

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Anonymous
Sep 9, 2021 - 00:13

Will any stations be mined?
If so, which ones

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Anonymous
Sep 1, 2021 - 13:12

How can elevated track connect to an at-grade MSF?

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:29

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us next Thursday, September 16 for our Ontario Line North segment virtual open house, which will cover the MSF. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/OLLiveSeptember16.

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Anonymous's avatar

If line 5 could somehow find justification for being placed underground in its western most segment. where there is ample room to build in the right of way for the cancelled Richview Expressway from Mt. Dennis west. Why is the Ontario line being placed above ground in a highly urban and built up area? Why is it not possible to spend the kind of money being wasted on line 5 being put underground where there is absolutely no need for it to be put underground but that same investment cant be made here, where people will actually be effected by this decision. since it will run right through their backyards.

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 10:00

Thanks for your question. Please note that tonight's session is focused on the Ontario Line's West segment (Exhibition, King/Bathurst and Queen/Spadina Stations).

We welcome you to join us onThursday, September 23 for our Ontario Line East segment virtual open house, which will cover Leslieville Station. You can find more details, register and submit your question at MetrolinxEngage.com/en/olLIVEsept23.

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Anonymous's avatar

when can't the construction of the Ontario line start early instead of 2025? having the Yonge North Subway Extension wait after this new subway line to be built will length the patience for Toronto and Markham and Richmond Hill really need transit so soon.

Meaning: I bet the people of Markham and Richmond Hill on Yonge St.are probably losing their patience

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Metrolinx
Sep 9, 2021 - 09:35

Thanks for your question and feedback. We are approaching the construction of the Ontario Line through various procurement packages, meaning that construction on different parts of the line will begin at different times. This allows us to ensure that the market has the capacity to deliver the project.

Major construction under the Southern Civil, Stations and Tunnel procurement package, which includes the line from Exhibition Station to the Don River, is anticpated to begin in 2023. Under the Northern Civil, Stations and Tunnel package, which covers the rest of the line, construction is anticipated to begin in 2024.

We are also undertaking early works activities in certain areas where construction can proceed sooner. For example, early works construction at Exhibition Station will begin this fall in 2021. You can learn more about the different early works packages under the environment section on our website.

You can also find the project timeline on our website. Please note that timelines are subject to change.

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